Time For This Challenge Again

[HitchSlap]

Interesting that you say "you became an atheist". God created man in such a way that he believes in God (Romans chapter 1). Some people then become professing atheists because out of rebellious thought they choose not to believe in God. You are just another piece of evidence for the validity of the Word of God. God even uses the devil for His own righteous purposes, though I would expect you to understand that.
You are wrong to make the statement "abortion is a good thing". It might guarantee the child goes to heaven, but God said not to commit murder, which is what an intentional abortion is. A baby going to heaven also misses the opportunity to choose to live for God on earth, and obtain eternal rewards for this that those that get to heaven having died as a baby won't. Just another example of an unbeliever making the wrong conclusion on abortion.

In psychology, this is known as "projection."

Psychological projection - Wikipedia

 

[Greg Merrill]

Everyone who doesn't accept Jesus will go to hell right? So that means all Jews, Muslims, Hindus and atheists will be wading in that lake together. I didn't choose to "rebel." How can I rebel against something I don't think exists? Show me evidence so I can make an informed choice about whether or not to worship God. According to the bible many people knew of God's existence and still rebelled. The golden calf is an example of that.

And I think some mothers are going to have heaven spoiled for them by sending their child to hell just because they didn't pick the right religion.

Atheist does not by itself mean "I KNOW there is no God." It's a blanket term that covers both Gnostic Atheists (I know there is no God) and Agnostic Atheist (I'm not convinced God exists). From what I have seen most tend to fall into the latter category, and I do as well.

I may get back to this and you later. Right now I have other things to do. I do hope you find the truth some day. One last thing for today. You say "So that means all Jews, Muslims, Hindus and atheists will be wading in that pool together." Another wrong statement/conclusion. The first Christians were Jews. Some Muslims, Hindus, atheists, etc have come to realize the truth, and have become Christians will continue to enjoy God forever. Your arguments can go on and on. If you want to try to convince yourself that there is no God and that you are not answerable to him, and that you haven't received enough information to make You really want to find him as your Lord and Savior, that is up to you. Maybe you are playing "devil's advocate." God is under no obligation, nor am I to try to convince people that are not honestly open to being convinced. A person convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. If you enjoy your position so much the Bible says "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." 1 Corinthians 15:10. If someone wants to commit suicide, and is bound and determined to get the job done in their foolishness, I can't help that. Wishing you well.

 

[Greg Merrill]

Don't get me started on the Sodom and Gomorrah story. I could go on all day about my objections to that.

You can object all you want. It doesn't change anything.

 

[HitchSlap]

In other words, professing themselves to be wise men (Homo sapiens), they ended up leaving Christianity to embrace atheism.

Sounds like a good move.

 

[HitchSlap]

I may get back to this and you later. Right now I have other things to do. I do hope you find the truth some day. One last thing for today. You say "So that means all Jews, Muslims, Hindus and atheists will be wading in that pool together." Another wrong statement/conclusion. The first Christians were Jews. Some Muslims, Hindus, atheists, etc have come to realize the truth, and have become Christians will continue to enjoy God forever. Your arguments can go on and on. If you want to try to convince yourself that there is no God and that you are not answerable to him, and that you haven't received enough information to make You really want to find him as your Lord and Savior, that is up to you. Maybe you are playing "devil's advocate." God is under no obligation, nor am I to try to convince people that are not honestly open to being convinced. A person convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. If you enjoy your position so much the Bible says "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." 1 Corinthians 15:10. If someone wants to commit suicide, and is bound and determined to get the job done in their foolishness, I can't help that. Wishing you well.

And I hope you see the light, as well, someday. That's the thing about reality, it's there for all to see, regardless of previous indoctrination and faulty reasoning.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry but the scientists were more convincing than the preachers.

That's because the tares are outgrowing the wheat.

Besides that doesn't explain all of the Christians who accept the theory of evolution.

That's between them and God.

If I were a Christian I wouldn't pit evolution against Christianity.

Would you pit abortion against Christianity? gun control? the death penalty? drinking? smoking? anything?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why punish a whole city for the sins of two people?

I don't know.

But what I do know, is that God is a righteous judge.

Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

 

[HitchSlap]

I don't know.

But what I do know, is that God is a righteous judge.

Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

He comes across as a petulant child with anger issues.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's the thing about reality, it's there for all to see,

Uh-huh.

Is that how we got reality checks the likes of Thalidomide?

And did all see the explosion in the distance when the Deepwater Horizon vomited out its inhabitants?

 

[AV1611VET]

He comes across as a petulant child with anger issues.

There's a time and a place for anger.

God knows best.

 

[TheFriendlyAtheist]

I may get back to this and you later. Right now I have other things to do. I do hope you find the truth some day. One last thing for today. You say "So that means all Jews, Muslims, Hindus and atheists will be wading in that pool together." Another wrong statement/conclusion. The first Christians were Jews. Some Muslims, Hindus, atheists, etc have come to realize the truth, and have become Christians will continue to enjoy God forever. Your arguments can go on and on. If you want to try to convince yourself that there is no God and that you are not answerable to him, and that you haven't received enough information to make You really want to find him as your Lord and Savior, that is up to you. Maybe you are playing "devil's advocate." God is under no obligation, nor am I to try to convince people that are not honestly open to being convinced. A person convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. If you enjoy your position so much the Bible says "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." 1 Corinthians 15:10. If someone wants to commit suicide, and is bound and determined to get the job done in their foolishness, I can't help that. Wishing you well.

1 Peter 3:15 - "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"

The Jews also rejected the first Christians. Billions of people have lived and died without ever professing their belief and trust in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, so where are they right now?

My main problem is people who preach about a loving God and who are unable to give me an answer to these hard questions. Then I get accused of just not looking hard enough or that I just want to find reasons to reject it. What if it was the other way around? What if I did look and was just disappointed with the results?

And back to my original point. If I profess my belief and devotion to Jesus Christ without being first convinced Christianity is true how can I then say I'm a Christian without bearing false witness?

I don't expect you to answer all these questions. This really isn't the right place for it. And likewise, I wish you well.

 

[HitchSlap]

There's a time and a place for anger.

God knows best.

Uh-huh.

Is that how we got reality checks the likes of Thalidomide?

And did all see the explosion in the distance when the Deepwater Horizon vomited out its inhabitants?

You ok?

 

[AV1611VET]

You ok?

Lean, mean, and peachy keen! Thanks for asking!

 

[jacks]

Everyone who doesn't accept Jesus will go to hell right? So that means all Jews, Muslims, Hindus and atheists will be wading in that lake together.

Don't mean to but in, but this can be a stumbling block and I feel you are truly asking the question. Not all Christians believe that. THIS explains it pretty well. The parable of the sheep and goats is an excellent example. You seem to be knowledgeable about the Bible and probably have little argument with Christ's philosophies on love and good works. You don't have to remind me that all Christians don't live up to these standards, that is another topic. It is the tenants of Christ's teachings that Christianity is really about.

 

[Silmarien]

The Jews also rejected the first Christians. Billions of people have lived and died without ever professing their belief and trust in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, so where are they right now?

My main problem is people who preach about a loving God and who are unable to give me an answer to these hard questions. Then I get accused of just not looking hard enough or that I just want to find reasons to reject it. What if it was the other way around? What if I did look and was just disappointed with the results?

Have you come across Metropolitan Kallistos Ware's answer before? It's a very in-depth analysis from an Eastern Orthodox perspective.

 

[TheFriendlyAtheist]

Don't mean to but in, but this can be a stumbling block and I feel you are truly asking the question. Not all Christians believe that. THIS explains it pretty well. The parable of the sheep and goats is an excellent example. You seem to be knowledgeable about the Bible and probably have little argument with Christ's philosophies on love and good works. You don't have to remind me that all Christians don't live up to these standards, that is another topic. It is the tenants of Christ's teachings that Christianity is really about.

Thank you for this. One of the weird ways I heard about another view of this was a kind of cheesy movie called "Hell and Mr. Fudge"
Matthew 7:2 - "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

The part of Jesus's message that I find the most appealing is what is described in Matthew 25 where he tells his disciples to do good for the least among us. To feed the hungry, to shelter the poor and to help the sick. I think it might be possible to make the case that if you live according to these teachings that you are in effect taking Jesus in to your heart. Just a thought. Welp that's just something else to research.

Have you come across Metropolitan Kallistos Ware's answer before? It's a very in-depth analysis from an Eastern Orthodox perspective.

Ahh! So much homework! lol. Thank you, I'll look into it.

 

[jacks]

I think it might be possible to make the case that if you live according to these teachings that you are in effect taking Jesus in to your heart.

Amen! (Excuse the religious affirmation.) One of the most devout practitioners of Jesus's teachings I've ever known was a sincere atheist. I always felt he was really a Christian, but just didn't realize it. He has now passed away and I certainly am in no position to judge him; my only regret is he didn't get to experience the joy and strength that can come through faith.

 

[Silmarien]

The part of Jesus's message that I find the most appealing is what is described in Matthew 25 where he tells his disciples to do good for the least among us. To feed the hungry, to shelter the poor and to help the sick. I think it might be possible to make the case that if you live according to these teachings that you are in effect taking Jesus in to your heart. Just a thought. Welp that's just something else to research.

There is actually a very interesting interpretation of that passage that gets a bit overshadowed by the more popular reading as a call for social justice--it's the nations themselves who get judged based on how they treat "the least of these who are members of my family," i.e., Christians. So we end up with a more corporate picture of judgment: Rome is judged based on how it handles the challenge of early Christianity, modern America based on reactions to someone like Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., and so forth and so on.

It has interesting implications. Everyone is judged based on their response to the Gospel, but not necessarily based on correct doctrine.

Ahh! So much homework! lol. Thank you, I'll look into it.

No problem. I think you'll like it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

OK, so god allows some unhealthy babies to be born and to suffer.

It seems so. I was born healthy and still suffered all sorts of stuff in my life. Go figger.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So when god has an abortion, no problem, but heaven forbid if humans choose to have an abortion for the same reasons.

smh

This is not the topic, but I have no problem with elective abortion. That's between the patient and her doctor. Who am I to insist that a woman have a child that she doesn't want. There are enough unwanted, unloved, and uncared for people as it is.