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The God who saves us gave us the law. Is the above what you think of God?
Well, you already know this is false - why repeat a fallacy?
You never answered my question, either:
Now, if Christianity offends you, what does this say about the belief system you've embraced?
 
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Because his audience was..... guess what? JEWS.
 
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I think more of God that you do, I don't have to keep archaic rules to prove my righteousness at all.
News flash. God is archaic so His law would obviously be His law. What do you expect form Him that is from everlasting unto everlasting.
 
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When was His audience not Jews? If that is the premise then nothing Jesus said is for us! Take your pick, all or nothing!
Tell me something.... Did you sell everything to follow Jesus as he commanded?
 
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News flash. God is archaic so His law would obviously be His law. What do you expect form Him that is from everlasting unto everlasting.
New flash..... Jesus came and changed things so the archaic system of Laws doesn't apply to those who choose to NOT have a levitical priest telling them what to do. You can follow levitical Law.... I choose to follow a different priest one who has a new Law to him.... Love your neighbor.
 
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Galatians 3 - NIV Translation

(Gal 3:1 NIV) You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.


(Gal 3:2 NIV) I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?



(Gal 3:3 NIV) Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?



(Gal 3:4 NIV) Have you suffered so much for nothing--if it really was for nothing?



(Gal 3:5 NIV) Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?



(Gal 3:6 NIV) Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."



(Gal 3:7 NIV) Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.



(Gal 3:8 NIV) The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."



(Gal 3:9 NIV) So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.



(Gal 3:10 NIV) All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."



(Gal 3:11 NIV) Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."



(Gal 3:12 NIV) The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."



(Gal 3:13 NIV) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."



(Gal 3:14 NIV) He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.



(Gal 3:15 NIV) Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.



(Gal 3:16 NIV) The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.



(Gal 3:17 NIV) What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.


The law introduced 1880 years later does not set aside the covenant previously established by God either.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6 the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Galatians 5 verse 14 the entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
When we were baptized we were baptized into Christ's death and died with him, and now we live for him by following his example of love, Jesus said there's no greater love than to lay down your life for your friends.
I THINK IF YOU TRY TO OBEY THE LAW CHRIST DIDN'T DIE FOR YOU.
 
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News flash. God is archaic so His law would obviously be His law. What do you expect form Him that is from everlasting unto everlasting.
To summarize God's action in relation to the former covenant's law:
  • The first covenant demanded change (Hebrews 7:12)
  • It was annulled (v.7:18)
  • It was charged with a fault that called for a new covenant (v.8:7)
  • It was rendered obsolete and ready to vanish away (v.8:13)
  • Jesus redeemed our transgressions under the first covenant and is now the Mediator of the new covenant (v.9:15)
  • He took the first covenant away by His own Hand, in order to establish that new covenant (v.10:9)
Romans 1:25 HCSB
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen.
Scripture has you nailed when you confuse the Creator with the temporal created thing.
 
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Correct about the passage you quoted.
 
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So when a beautiful lady tempts me to commit adultery I should not try to obey the law! If I do then I confess that Jesus did not died for me! Is that your point?
 
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As in the 7th command? As well as the other 9? All were temporal, only for a time? So I repeat are we to take God's name in vain without being guilty?
 
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Originally Posted by Elder 111
Mat 24: 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Why did Jesus told us to pray that our flight be not on the Sabbath? Because He expected that we will still be keeping it even when He returns the second time!!!!
Hold up there buddy! So none of what Jesus said was for us?
Correct about the passage you quoted.
Is that the prerequisite for Jesus' word not belonging to us? When Elder111 quotes it?
 
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As in the 7th command? As well as the other 9? All were temporal, only for a time? So I repeat are we to take God's name in vain without being guilty?
Oh, what's this?
23rd January 2015, 07:48 PM
It's the server's time stamp for your post in GMT -7 time zone.
Since you don't believe you're bound to the Sabbath, what meaning do your rhetorical questions have? You already know that Romans 3:8 addresses your propensity to continue in evil, and you continue to reverse the relationship of what kept whom until when.

By the way, how did you do with that post outlining the Law's requirements for keeping the Sabbath Holy? Did you finish looking up the citations provided?

Also, you didn't address the content of my post you quoted. You're guilty of idolatry, and that hasn't escaped our attention.
 
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Originally Posted by Elder 111
Originally Posted by Elder 111
The God who saves us gave us the law. Is the above what you think of God?
We are lawless then?
According to you, yes. To me no because you are insinuating we are wicked pagans.
Of course not! where did you get that idea? But if we don't walk as God would have us to walk would we end up in God's good books?
 
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The God who saves us gave us the law.
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Of course not! where did you get that idea? But if we don't walk as God would have us to walk would we end up in God's good books?
It would help your credibility if you did something to correct the error you made in your opening statement.
 
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I like doing things king Jesus' way. Just doing good on the Sabbath even if it means walking more than a Sabbath's journey.
 
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It would help your credibility if you did something to correct the error you made in your opening statement.
Does Jesus have to withdraw His too? 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
 
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