Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

[trophy33]

It was written in the apostles hearts, which every Sabbath was kept by them and Jesus. We follow Christ, not man. 1 John 2:6

Which is why the Holy Spirit call us….

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,

The verse does not say "on the hearts of apostles". Do not change it according to your needs.

 

[trophy33]

And we don't need someone to tell us what's written on our hearts.

That sounds strange, yes.

 

[ozso]

There's this idea that one group of people needs to tell another group of people what's written on the other group's hearts.

One department telling the entire organization, you're doing it wrong.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The verse does not say "on the hearts of apostles". Do not change it according to your needs.

Are you saying God didn’t write His laws on the apostles hearts. You would need a Text for that.

 

[trophy33]

Are you saying God didn’t write His laws on the apostles hearts. You would need a Text for that.

Are you saying it was written only on the apostles hearts. You would need a Text for that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I do not think so. The whole point of the new covenant is that we are the temple, we are the priests, we are with God always.



The whole Bible was written by men. But I suppose you accept they were theologically inspired.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Col 2:16

Show where is says the Sabbath commandment. If you look at the context, it says ordinances. Col 2:14 KJV but we been through this and I am fine with agreeing to disagree.

Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

I don't see it in Deuteronomy 30:10-14. That references the book of the law that Moses wrote, which contains the terms of the Covenant that God made with Israel when they came out of Egypt. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+30%3A10-14&version=NIRV Well it is there. Deut...

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[trophy33]

Show where is says the Sabbath commandment. If you look at the context, it says ordinances. Col 2:14 KJV but we been through this and I am fine with agreeing to disagree.

Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

I don't see it in Deuteronomy 30:10-14. That references the book of the law that Moses wrote, which contains the terms of the Covenant that God made with Israel when they came out of Egypt. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+30%3A10-14&version=NIRV Well it is there. Deut...

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I do not accept your desperate division of the old covenant into commandments and ordinances, when you cannot even say what is what.

The Bible says that the Sabbath day was just a shadow. I will go with that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Are you saying it was written only on the apostles hearts. You would need a Text for that.

I never said that either, the law of God is written in all of our hearts including the apostles. The apostles kept the Sabbath decades after the cross, which means it did not end at the cross and Col 2:16 that you keep using out of context. The apotles kept all the laws written in their hearts because they are followers of Christ.

 

[trophy33]

I never said that either, the law of God is written in all of our hearts including the apostles. The apostles kept the Sabbath decades after the cross, which means it did not end at the cross and Col 2:16 that you keep using is our of context. The apotles kept all the laws written in their hearts because they are followers of Christ.

Keeping the Sabbath is not in all of our hearts. So again, your argument leads nowhere.

 

[Leaf473]

One department telling the entire organization, you're doing it wrong.

Yep, and that same prophecy says that it won't need to be done.

Bible Gateway passage: Jeremiah 31:34 - New Century Version

People will no longer have to teach their neighbors and relatives to know the LORD, because all people will know me, from the least to the most important,” says the LORD. “I will forgive them for the wicked things they did, and I will not remember their sins anymore.”

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[ozso]

I do not accept your desperate division of the old covenant into commandments and ordinances, when you cannot even say what is what.

The Bible says that the Sabbath day was just a shadow. I will go with that.

Come on now, it took one thousand eight hundred and fifty years for someone to come up with that interpretation to fit their doctrine.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Keeping the Sabbath is not in all of our hearts. So again, your argument leads nowhere.

We have to cooperate with the Holy Spirit. John 14:15-18 Acts 5:32

God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12, which of course includes the Sabbath commandment, God said to Remember Exodus 20:8, which means we shouldn't forget and said not to edit His commandments. Deut 4:2. His Ten written personally by God Exodus 32:16, Deut 4:13 kept in the Most Holy of His Temple in heaven Rev 11:19 under His mercy seat, which is what the earthy temple was modeled after Hebrews 8:5. My faith is in God's Word.

 

[trophy33]

We have to cooperate with the Holy Spirit. John 14:15-18 Acts 5:32

God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12, which of course includes the Sabbath commandment, God said to Remember Exodus 20:8, which means we shouldn't forget and said not to edit His commandments. Deut 4:2. His Ten written personally by God Exodus 32:16, Deut 4:13 kept in the Most Holy of His Temple in heaven Rev 11:19 under His mercy seat, which is what the earthy temple was modeled after Hebrews 8:5. My faith is in God's Word.

Sure, cooperate:

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory...
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
2 Cor 3:7,11

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
R 7:6

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Col 2:16

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sure, cooperate:

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory...
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
2 Cor 3:7,11

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
R 7:6

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Col 2:16

Repeating out of context scriptures over again, doesn't make them say we no longer need to keep the Ten Commandments. These scriptures have all been address previously, so no point in going through them again.

God's people keep God's commandments which is the same conclusion the Reformers concluded after being told what scripture meant and started studying it for themselves.

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14 KJV.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the law of Ten Commandments...Whosoever abrogates the law must of necessity abrogate sin also.
—MARTIN LUTHER, Spiritual Antichrist, pages 71, 72.

Anyway, I'm not the one you need to convince. I know I sure wouldn't spend so much time on a forum on something I didn't believe in.

 

[trophy33]

These scriptures have all been address previously, so no point in going through them again.

So why do you keep repeating Scriptures we already addressed?

God's people keep God's commandments which is the same conclusion the Reformers concluded after being told what scripture meant and started studying it for themselves.

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14 KJV.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the law of Ten Commandments...Whosoever abrogates the law must of necessity abrogate sin also.
—MARTIN LUTHER, Spiritual Antichrist, pages 71, 72.

Anyway, I'm not the one you need to convince. I know I sure wouldn't spend so much time on a forum on something I didn't believe in.

Sure, Luther was right. We keep what was moral in the Mosaic Law. We do not keep shadows.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sure, Luther was right. We keep what was moral in the Mosaic Law. We do not keep shadows.

The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten, Luther quoted the Ten, he did not reduce it down to nine like most Christians teach today despite God telling us not to Deut 4:2 and Jesus Matthew 5:19-30 and James James 2:10-12 and Paul 1 Cor 7:19 and the rest of the prophets who kept the law of God.

I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the law of Ten Commandments...Whosoever abrogates the law must of necessity abrogate sin also.
—MARTIN LUTHER, Spiritual Antichrist, pages 71, 72.

 

[trophy33]

The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten, Luther said we should keep the Ten, he did not reduce it down to nine like most Christians teach today despite God telling us not to Deut 4:2 and Jesus Matthew 5:19-30

It seems you are not too familiar with the teachings of Luther.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It seems you are not too familiar with the teachings of Luther.

I am familiar and from Luther's own mouth, he wondered why he ever rejected the Ten Commandments, so obviously was having doubts on what he had learned previously. Through careful study of scripture and allowing the Scriptures to lead us, we will all come to this same conclusion, God did not reduce His commandments to nine, Exodus 32:16 Deut 4:13, Deut 4:2 that is a teaching of man, but one God warned us about Dan 7:25.

 

[ozso]

Repeating out of context scriptures over again,

They're only out of context for a 19th century doctrine. For the rest of Christianity they've been in context for 2000 years.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

They're only out of context for a 19th century doctrine. For the rest of Christianity they've been in context for 2000 years.

The Sabbath commandment started way before that, at Creation. Genesis 2:1-3 and will continue for God's people for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23.

Anyway, I am not the one that needs convincing on why we can profane God's holy Sabbath day. We all answer to a much greater Authority.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.