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There is no "Adventist script". I think you would be very surprised at the variety of thought inside the SDA church.Well what I noticed is Doug Batchelor saying the same things and using the same bible verses as I see posted by various SDA members here. Are all the people saying the same things and using the same bible verses repeating him? Or is everyone including him repeating someone else?
Are you basing that on an objective study of church history, or on what you were taught about it?Take a look at the Dark Ages. The RCC was killing people for simply reading the Bible. For more than a thousand years Catholics were the vast majority of Christians, and still are the majority. It really demonstrates the devil's ability to deceive.
When it comes to reading sabbath and the law threads here, I haven't seen much individuality or originality. As a matter of fact you're the first SDA I've come across who said something differently than I hear from most. But I think that could be because the others are using a scripted form of proselytizing and apologetics.There is no "Adventist script". I think you would be very surprised at the variety of thought inside the SDA church.
One thing that may surprise you is that two of the leaders of the Millerite movement back in the early 1800s, William Miller and Joseph Bates, used nothing but Cruden's Concordance and the Bible to form their ideas of scripture. I've just been reading the memoirs of Miller and he was an amazing man. He spent years comparing scripture with scripture, as did Bates, to arrive at their common understanding of scripture. Miller actually fought with his conscience against teaching his ideas to the public for years. He finally gave in and within an hour the son of a man he knew in another town arrived and asked him to come home with him as his father wnted him to come speak at his church on his views of the end time prophecies. It made him mad that God had sent a request for him to speak publicly so quickly that he walked out if the house and went to a nearby grove of trees where he often prayed and began fighting with God about him publicly speaking as he thought he had gotten one over on God and no one would ever ask him to speak publicly, He spent an hour wrestling with God before he finally gave in. When he went back to the house the kid was still there waiting for him so he went with him.Well what I noticed is Doug Batchelor saying the same things and using the same bible verses as I see posted by various SDA members here. Are all the people saying the same things and using the same bible verses repeating him? Or is everyone including him repeating someone else?
D'Aubigne's multi-volume tome of 1400+ pages on the reformation and scripture. You can download D'Aubigne's tome from Project Gutenberg. I didn't know it existed until a few years ago. When I found it I was just looking for things to read as I'm a voracious reader.Are you basing that on an objective study of church history, or on what you were taught about it?
So D'Aubigne said "the RCC was killing people for simply reading the Bible"? And is he your only source?D'Aubigne's multi-volume tome of 1400+ pages on the reformation and scripture. You can download D'Aubigne's tome from Project Gutenberg. I didn't know it existed until a few years ago. When I found it I was just looking for things to read as I'm a voracious reader.
I don't think so as I have been around the SDA church most of my life. I say most of my life because I spent years in drug addiction away from the church. My drug abuse was intentional as I wanted to destroy myself due to decades of abuse. Our family was very dysfunctional and I wanted to destroy myself so I couldn't feel the pain any more so I took the cowards way out and tried to destroy my mind with drugs.When it comes to reading sabbath and the law threads here, I haven't seen much individuality or originality. As a matter of fact you're the first SDA I've come across who said something differently than I hear from most. But I think that could be because the others are using a scripted form of proselytizing and apologetics.
So Miller is the one others are repeating?One thing that may surprise you is that two of the leaders of the Millerite movement back in the early 1800s, William Miller and Joseph Bates, used nothing but Cruden's Concordance and the Bible to form their ideas of scripture. I've just been reading the memoirs of Miller and he was an amazing man. He spent years comparing scripture with scripture, as did Bates, to arrive at their common understanding of scripture. Miller actually fought with his conscience against teaching his ideas to the public for years. He finally gave in and within an hour the son of a man he knew in another town arrived and asked him to come home with him as his father wnted him to come speak at his church on his views of the end time prophecies. It made him mad that God had sent a request for him to speak publicly so quickly that he walked out if the house and went to a nearby grove of trees where he often prayed and began fighting with God about him publicly speaking as he thought he had gotten one over on God and no one would ever ask him to speak publicly, He spent an hour wrestling with God before he finally gave in. When he went back to the house the kid was still there waiting for him so he went with him.
No. But he is the preeminent authority on the Reformation as his tome took him 55 years to research and writeSo D'Aubigne said "the RCC was killing people for simply reading the Bible"? And is he your only source?
Really what I'm referring to is foundational orthodox Christian theology.
No. What you will find is that many SDA's are well versed in scripture. In fact, we used to be known as "the people of the book" until the denomination began to drift away from it's first love with Jesus.So Miller is the one others are repeating?
One can't really go by someone's personal experience. I could say Pentecostals and their churches are like what I've personally experienced for over 40 years, but I know that's far from accurate.I don't think so as I have been around the SDA church most of my life. I say most of my life because I spent years in drug addiction away from the church. My drug abuse was intentional as I wanted to destroy myself due to decades of abuse. Our family was very dysfunctional and I wanted to destroy myself so I couldn't feel the pain any more so I took the cowards way out and tried to destroy my mind with drugs.
If anyone should have a bias against Christianity and SDAs it's me as my parents were SDA, but unfortunately weren't Christians. It happens in all denominations. Sigh. The devil is sooo evil and hates humanity so much.
I don't mean to be rude, but I've mostly only seen well versed in scripture as far as dogmatically fitting it into SDA doctrine. It has struck me as being more eisegetical than exegetical.No. What you will find is that many SDA's are well versed in scripture. In fact, we used to be known as "the people of the book" until the denomination began to drift away from it's first love with Jesus.
I'll explain this to you.When it comes to reading sabbath and the law threads here, I haven't seen much individuality or originality. As a matter of fact you're the first SDA I've come across who said something differently than I hear from most. But I think that could be because the others are using a scripted form of proselytizing and apologetics.
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
I've never seen you be rude. Disagreement is not rudeness.I don't mean to be rude, but I've mostly only seen well versed in scripture as far as dogmatically fitting it into SDA doctrine. It has struck me as being more eisegetical than exegetical.
Actually there is a Pentacostal church I really like. It's called Whitewell Memorial Tabernacl in Belfast, Ireland and the pastor who founded it really loved God and through the power of the Holy Spirit really instilled love for God in his congregation. He passed away back in 2021 but his influence is still seen in a great degree today. He taught RxF through his love for God as he truly believed in following God and that God could make us righteous through faith in Him.One can't really go by someone's personal experience. I could say Pentecostals and their churches are like what I've personally experienced for over 40 years, but I know that's far from accurate.
(Side note: I'm not a Pentecostal. God has lead me to a couple of Pentecostal churches in my lifetime that have had sound biblical teaching - aside from Pentecostalism, which has mostly been in the background).
Right, we can obey him naturally. And do we also naturally know what to obey? That is, the law of God written on our hearts... We wouldn't need someone to teach us what is written on our hearts, we would know it naturally, or maybe intuitively.When God writes His commandments in our hearts we can then obey Him naturally even though we still have sin built into us and are still tempted. He doesn't make us sinless until we go to heaven and the devil is destroyed in the lake of fire.
Not to focus on SDA's, but Doug batchelor and also the website amazing facts, of which I believe Doug is the director, uses much the same wording. That to me is the key. Obviously, the same passages in scripture are going to come up when discussing the same subjects. But the same wording when one talking about them?Well what I noticed is Doug Batchelor saying the same things and using the same bible verses as I see posted by various SDA members here. Are all the people saying the same things and using the same bible verses repeating him? Or is everyone including him repeating someone else?
Just to note, Catholic apologists/historians say that the alleged abuses in the past are often vastly inflated. I haven't researched it myself, so I don't know.Take a look at the Dark Ages. The RCC was killing people for simply reading the Bible. For more than a thousand years Catholics were the vast majority of Christians, and still are the majority. It really demonstrates the devil's ability to deceive.
Have you looked at other sources as well, perhaps one friendly with Catholicism? I don't know, maybe the book you refer to is.D'Aubigne's multi-volume tome of 1400+ pages on the reformation and scripture. You can download D'Aubigne's tome from Project Gutenberg. I didn't know it existed until a few years ago. When I found it I was just looking for things to read as I'm a voracious reader.
How many different ways are there to say the same thing? Not many.Not to focus on SDA's, but Doug batchelor and also the website amazing facts, of which I believe Doug is the director, uses much the same wording. That to me is the key. Obviously, the same passages in scripture are going to come up when discussing the same subjects. But the same wording when one talking about them?
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