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Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

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You would be welcome there as I've never seen anyone get kicked out of there for respectfully discussing SDA beliefs and I don't think you would do be disrespectful.
I'm pretty sure in that section of the forums, non-members of that particular group cannot discuss anything critical of the group.

Different story in the denomination specific section. There, things can be critically examined.
 
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I don't know how you came away with that impression.
Well, Ahab is mentioned in Chronicles only when he interacts with the kingdom of Judah.

Jezebel is not mentioned in Chronicles at all.

As to Bathsheba references, not all stories in Kings are mentioned in Chronicles and vice versa. I wouldn't read anything into that.
I would read a great deal into that! Which stories are included are based on the overall impression that the author wants to give. Similar with secular histories. What details are included in a book, or excluded, make a big difference imo.
 
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Well, Ahab is mentioned in Chronicles only when he interacts with the kingdom of Judah.

Jezebel is not mentioned in Chronicles at all.


I would read a great deal into that! Which storyies are included are based on the overall impression that the author wants to give. Similar with secular histories. What details are included in a book, or excluded, make a big difference imo.
The Jews of Jesus' day were a bigoted bunch but the nations of Israel anndJuda werew all the descendants of Abraham. Basically they were all cousins.

Read 1Kings chapter 22 in which Jehoshaphat went to Israel during the reign of Ahab and offered to go to war with him against the Syrians. No one does that for anyone they have a grudge against. Jehoshaphat was the king of Israel when the angel of God slew 186,000 Assyrians in one night in response to Jehoshaphat's prayer for help so he was one of the few righteous kings of Judah.
 
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I agree! Now, what is it we are trusting God to do? Tell us directly which documents are scripture? Or guide Christians in maybe the first 400 years to properly compile the scriptures into what we call the Bible?


I was thinking more about Martin Luther's version of the canon. If we're going to trust someone else to compile the Bible for us, who?
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The big picture is that if, shortly after the death of the apostles, the bulk of Christianity turned away from God, Jesus didn't know them, they didn't have God's law written on their hearts, and they misinterpreted passages about what laws they were to keep,
why in the world would they be trusted to properly compile the Bible? To say that they did seems like an awfully ad hoc approach, something just for the moment.

Luther's version of the canon? I don't know to what you're referring.
 
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I'm pretty sure in that section of the forums, non-members of that particular group cannot discuss anything critical of the group.

Different story in the denomination specific section. There, things can be critically examined.
I can tell you've never spent any time in that forum. As long as the discussion is respectful no one gets bent out of shape.
 
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The Jews of Jesus' day were a bigoted bunch but the nations of Israel anndJuda werew all the descendants of Abraham. Basically they were all cousins.

Read 1Kings chapter 22 in which Jehoshaphat went to Israel during the reign of Ahab and offered to go to war with him against the Syrians. No one does that for anyone they have a grudge against. Jehoshaphat was the king of Israel when the angel of God slew 186,000 Assyrians in one night in response to Jehoshaphat's prayer for help so he was one of the few righteous kings of Judah.
Right, it's not that the writer of Chronicles had a grudge. I think they probably just wanted to focus on the line of David.

A bias doesn't have to be a really negative thing.

Side note: are you sure Jehoshaphat was king of Israel, and not King of Judah? Are you sure it was Jehoshaphat with the Assyrians, and not Hezekiah?
 
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Luther's version of the canon? I don't know to what you're referring.
From what I remember, Luther came up with a Canon of the Old Testament. It's basically the version of the Old Testament used by most Protestants.

His Canon of the New Testament was the same as what everyone else was using, but he put books like James that he basically thought were wrong kind of at the end. If I remember right, he said James wasn't suitable for deriving doctrine. That says to me that he didn't consider it scripture the way that we do today.
 
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I can tell you've never spent any time in that forum. As long as the discussion is respectful no one gets bent out of shape.
I've seen people get bent out of shape there :)

Also,
"Those who disagree with a congregation’s Statement of Faith will not discuss reasons for or against any subject being discussed on this sub-forum."
 
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Is that based on an eisegesis of Revelation 12:17?
I'm sure that Him can answer for himself I would just say this. If you do a word search in the OT for the word remnant you will find a bunch of results speaking prophetically and for the numbers left when God sent other nations to punish both kingdoms as Moses prophecied He would.
 
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I can tell you've never spent any time in that forum. As long as the discussion is respectful no one gets bent out of shape.
Also, here's a great thread where we can discuss the inspiration of Ellen White's writings. But I'm not going to critically examine SDA beliefs in the traditional Adventist section :)
 
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I've seen people get bent out of shape there :)

Also,
"Those who disagree with a congregation’s Statement of Faith will not discuss reasons for or against any subject being discussed on this sub-forum."
When and why? I would say it was because the non Adventist people were being rude. I've even complained about that, but not to moderators.
 
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Also, here's a great thread where we can discuss the inspiration of Ellen White's writings. But I'm not going to critically examine SDA beliefs in the traditional Adventist section :)
Why take an existing thread off topic? I find that can be rude behavior.
 
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Right, it's not that the writer of Chronicles had a grudge. I think they probably just wanted to focus on the line of David.

A bias doesn't have to be a really negative thing.

Side note: are you sure Jehoshaphat was king of Israel, and not King of Judah? Are you sure it was Jehoshaphat with the Assyrians, and not Hezekiah?
So you didn't read the chapter. Why not?
 
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I'm sure that Him can answer for himself I would just say this. If you do a word search in the OT for the word remnant you will find a bunch of results speaking prophetically and for the numbers left when God sent other nations to punish both kingdoms as Moses prophecied He would.
More application of old testament old covenant Israel to new testament new covenant Christondom.
 
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More application of old testament old covenant Israel to new testament new covenant Christondom.
Nope. This is simply a matter of Mosaic prophecies coming true in the OT.
 
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Nope. This is simply a matter of Mosaic prophecies coming true in the OT.
Such as? Can you quote a couple of them that are prophecies of the entire Body of Christ only consisting of a small splinter group?
 
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Such as? Can you quote a couple of them that are prophecies of the entire Body of Christ only consisting of a small splinter group?
I can't provide you with anything like that because this only about prophecies Moses made in Deuteronomy about what God would do to the Israelites if they kept on disobeying Him
 
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I can't provide you with anything like that because this only about prophecies Moses made in Deuteronomy about what God would do to the Israelites if they kept on disobeying Him
Ah so they're applied to all the sunday Christians then.
 
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