Throwing our rights out the window? They were never here in the first place...

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Many countries jailed those who spoke out against the conflict. These included Eugene Debs in the United States and Bertrand Russell in Britain. In the U.S. the 1917 Espionage Act effectively made free speech illegal and many served long prison sentences for statements of fact deemed unpatriotic. The Sedition Act of 1918 made any statements deemed "disloyal" a federal crime. Publications at all critical of the government were removed from circulation by postal censors.[73]

Other opposition came from conscientious objectors – some socialist, some religious – who refused to fight. In Britain 16,000 people asked for conscientious objector status.[134] Many suffered years of prison, including solitary confinement and bread and water diets. Even after the war, in Britain many job advertisements were marked "No conscientious objectors need apply".

The Central Asian Revolt started in the summer of 1916, when the Russian Empire government ended its exemption of Muslims from military service.[135]

In 1917, a series of mutinies in the French army led to dozens of soldiers being executed and many more imprisoned.

In September 1917 the Russian soldiers in France began questioning why they were fighting for the French at all and mutinied.[136] In Russia, opposition to the war led to soldiers also establishing their own revolutionary committees and helped foment the October Revolution of 1917, with the call going up for "bread, land, and peace". The Bolsheviks agreed a peace treaty with Germany, the peace of Brest-Litovsk, despite its harsh conditions.

In 1917, Emperor Charles I of Austria secretly attempted separate peace negotiations with Clemenceau, with his wife's brother Sixtus in Belgium as an intermediary, without the knowledge of Germany. When the negotiations failed, his attempt was revealed to Germany, a diplomatic catastrophy. [137][138][139]
 

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A sad commentary, for sure. I just commented in a thread about "hate" crimes of the dangers in enacting legislation that considered holding attitudes or opinions that were contrary to current public opinion as felonies - such legislation being imo of very serious concern.

Having said that, there is a case to be made against sedition (inciting rebellion against the country), particularly in times of national emergency where such seditious acts could pose a serious and detrimental threat or harm to the safety and security of the country. But speaking one's opinions, even if they be contrary to the current policy of the nation, need to be carefully examined before calling such opinions "seditious" - expressing an opinion isn't sedition in itself. Promoting and inciting to rebellion, or working to actively undermine policy in time of war certainly could be. Where one draws the line is a function of the specific mitigating or aggravating circumstances in each case.
 
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A sad commentary, for sure. I just commented in a thread about "hate" crimes of the dangers in enacting legislation that considered holding attitudes or opinions that were contrary to current public opinion as felonies - such legislation being imo of very serious concern.

It is not criminalizing opinions, you actually have to act on those beliefs before it is a felony. Neo-nazis will still be allowed to protest, it becomes a felony when they start throwing rocks at black people.
 
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It is not criminalizing opinions, you actually have to act on those beliefs before it is a felony. Neo-nazis will still be allowed to protest, it becomes a felony when they start throwing rocks at black people.
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I suggest you word your posts differently before blithely judging someone so readily, or intimating them a neo-nazi and/or a racist...
 
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I suggest you word your posts differently before blithely judging someone so readily, or intimating them a neo-nazi and/or a racist...

Defensive?

I didn't catch him calling you a neo-nazi or a racist... they're just the classic example of a group with a viewpoint very far outside the norm that will still be able to march in the street.

Try to feign insult isn't the way you win arguments.
 
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Defensive?

I didn't catch him calling you a neo-nazi or a racist... they're just the classic example of a group with a viewpoint very far outside the norm that will still be able to march in the street.

Try to feign insult isn't the way you win arguments.
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"I am not a Marxist." - Karl Marx
 
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What does a Marx quote have to do with defending your position? Does it somehow make his critique of you being defensive invalid?

Marx didn't consider himself a Marxist because it was a term largely invented towards the end of his life/after his death so even what you mean (subtle and pointless insinuation of perhaps Marxist theory or something) by the quote is completely incorrect.
 
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