Three Big Questions

[Yttrium]

But if it hasn't been around that long, wouldn't it be nice to know that?

It certainly would be.

Well appearances can be deceiving, can't they?

They certainly can be.

It seems to me that a biologic clincher would be to actually identify the limits to "kinds" (how far adaptation can occur) and also identify the actual kinds. If that could somehow be accomplished, it would serve to support a young biosphere.

But that seems terribly unlikely to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

It seems to me that a biologic clincher would be to actually identify the limits to "kinds" (how far adaptation can occur) and also identify the actual kinds.

Let's go with this definition:

Kind = Genus

The online etymological dictionary supports this.

Some time ago, a poster here showed me some animals, and asked if they were the same "kinds."

I told her to show me to give me their binomens, and I would tell her if they were the same "kind" or not.

I'll look for it and see if I can find it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only if you move the decimal place as needed.

Need more time for something to have developed?

Just move that decimal point one space to the right, and voila:

Millions of years become a billion!

You can't force-fit millions of years into a universe created in 4004 BC, then claim "all the scientific evidence out there is very clear ..." and expect us to swallow it hook, lie, and sinker.

Er ... I mean "hook, line, and sinker."

How would one move the decimal place? When one makes a claim one takes on a burden of proof.

The age of the Earth exists independent of the theory of evolution. But it only makes sense that if the Earth had been here for billions of years that life, a product of evolution over time, would reflect that time. By the way, the Earth was known to be hundreds of millions of years old before Darwin's time. That was shown by Christian geologists that originally went looking for evidence of the Flood. Instead they ended up refuting it.

Where have you been? Welcome back.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For the record, I'm not a YEC.

I believe the universe is much older than 10,000 years.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

BUT, it has only been in existence since 4004 BC.

Then like it or not you are a YEC. Sadly you are a YEC that openly claims that God lied by planting false evidence. That seems contradictory to what the Bible says about him.

 

[AV1611VET]

How would one move the decimal place? When one makes a claim one takes on a burden of proof.

So I take it that if a star was discovered tomorrow that was twice-distant than the known age of the universe, the universe would suddenly become twice as old?

The star itself would meet their burden of proof?

 

[AV1611VET]

Where have you been?

Down the hall.

Welcome back.

Thank you, sir! It's nice to be back!

 

[AV1611VET]

Sadly you are a YEC that openly claims that God lied by planting false evidence.

Nothing's changed in the past year, has it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No argument there.

It certainly does look like it's been around for millions of years.

But if it hasn't been around that long, wouldn't it be nice to know that?

Well appearances can be deceiving, can't they?

Time is one thing ... age is another.

God can create a dress tomorrow so old, it can fall apart with age.

Can God lie?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nothing's changed in the past year, has it?

You are still using the same failed arguments where whether you realize it or not you do blaspheme your own God.

My point is that if God cannot lie then evolution is true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's go with this definition:

Kind = Genus

The online etymological dictionary supports this.

Some time ago, a poster here showed me some animals, and asked if they were the same "kinds."

I told her to show me to give me their binomens, and I would tell her if they were the same "kind" or not.

I'll look for it and see if I can find it.

That sounds like an ad hoc explanation and not a working definition. With a working definition one could tell whether any two populations were the same "kind" or not.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can God lie?

No, sir.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, sir.

Then evolution is a fact.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are still using the same failed arguments where whether you realize it or not you do blaspheme your own God.

I'm not sure you have a full understanding of my POV (embedded age).

My point is that if God cannot lie then evolution is true.

God is not the data.

If God created only one star beyond our solar system in 4004 BC ... and that star was twenty thousand light years out ... would you accuse God of lying?

 

[AV1611VET]

That sounds like an ad hoc explanation and not a working definition.

They are actually two terms meaning the same.

One term is from the Bible, and the other term is from academia.

If one term is wrong, then they both are.

With a working definition one could tell whether any two populations were the same "kind" or not.

You don't have to look at any populations.

No pictures ... nothing.

Only their binomens.

If the genuses are different, they are of different kinds.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not sure you have a full understanding of my POV (embedded age).

God is not the data.

If God created only one star beyond our solar system in 4004 BC ... and that star was twenty thousand light years out ... would you accuse God of lying?

I do understand your POV very well. And I never accused God of lying. I pointed out that that is what you do. Please rephrase your question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

They are actually two terms meaning the same.

One term is from the Bible, and the other term is from academia.

If one term is wrong, then they both are.

You don't have to look at any populations.

No pictures ... nothing.

Only their binomens.

If the genuses are different, they are of different kinds.

Nope, that is not the way that logic works. Try again.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, that is not the way that logic works. Try again.

Kind = Genus

They are synonyms.

 

[AV1611VET]

I do understand your POV very well. And I never accused God of lying. I pointed out that that is what you do. Please rephrase your question.

Have a nice day!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Kind = Genus

They are synonyms.

Then bring it up to your old buddy Aron Ra.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then bring it up to your old buddy Aron Ra.

Aron accused me of being Omphalos, and that was the end of it.