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Are you for real? The scriptures in question were around LONG before the New Testament was penned. Their exact wording is known and hasn't been changed. It is only in later, Christian translations into other languages such as Greek, Latin, or (much later) English that the "young woman" of the Hebrew version became a "virgin".2) i'm going to be honest, using your version will defeat me because it seems to me that the jews changed these keywords (virgin,and the other Isiah verse of 'mighty God')because of fear of these verses talking about Jesus.
a) but how do you know that when it says in the same image it is also speaking of us having a spirit and having a soul as Him?
First, claiming that we changed the words is amusing. The text you quoted used young woman, who changed it now? The other verse is Isaiah is a matter of translation. I have heard that it can work both ways. How do we know you didn't change it to speak of Jesus?2) i'm going to be honest, using your version will defeat me because it seems to me that the jews changed these keywords (virgin,and the other Isiah verse of 'mighty God')because of fear of these verses talking about Jesus.
a) but how do you know that when it says in the same image it is also speaking of us having a spirit and having a soul as Him?
2) i'm going to be honest, using your version will defeat me because it seems to me that the jews changed these keywords (virgin,and the other Isiah verse of 'mighty God')because of fear of these verses talking about Jesus.
Good point, but still he was called immanuel, shouldn't jews acknowledge that?There's another discrepancy here.
Who will call him Immanuel? Isaiah says she, the mother of the child, will. Matthew says they will. Who is they? We know that Mary didn't call him Immanuel, Mary called him Jesus (Yeshua, whatever).
Good point, but still he was called immanuel, shouldn't jews acknowledge that?
Was he? There's only one verse in the entire New Testament that claims as much, and that one is clearly attempting to "fulfill" that specific interpretation of the prophecy.Good point, but still he was called immanuel, shouldn't jews acknowledge that?
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2) i'm going to be honest, using your version will defeat me because it seems to me that the jews changed these keywords (virgin,and the other Isiah verse of 'mighty God')because of fear of these verses talking about Jesus.
I've got no particular axe to grind but there are some funny posts on here today. You're saying that the Jews (from whom the Christian OT originates) have changed their own scripture, presumably after hundreds of years of the original existing, in order to stop a possible interpretation that might support a christian theology point of view. When did this happen? Who changed it? Why?
I'm not a history or archaeological buff,so who knows, you might be right. But I can't see for the life of me why the Jews would be bothered to do that.
Can you see now how non-believers can feel like "chirstians" beat them over the head? This bunch is too busy beating each other over the head w/various theologies & calling each other liars to even see your issue- SADDDDD
See, when reasoning fails, the threats of Hell begin.at the end of the day when you face God, there will be only one truth and if you don't know that truth you'll have no more chance to accept that truth, Yeshua said he was the truth.
here are the prophecies fulfilled:
See, when reasoning fails, the threats of Hell begin.
I've seen these lists before. They are rather unconvincing. I can personally debunk most of them.
Yeah just positive thinking to people.
Missions don't usually LISTEN to what people have to say. It isn't important to them. So, people eventually get annoyed with the act.
This is exactly why I find the last half(ish?) of this thread to be a perfect illustration of the points brought up at the start. It's not that people find Christianity threatening, it's that sometimes Christians can act offensive, annoying, or dismissive with particular tactics.
Yeah, this whole thing started with me saying "I asked God, I got put on this path" with a bunch of posts basically telling me I was wrong, wasn't patient enough, will learn the truth later, or other stuff.
To anybody who wants to share the Gospel:
Do not treat people that way. It is dismissive of what they have gone through and is arrogant.
i have to admit i didn't treat you right and i'm sorry for that, arguments don't convice people, only God can do that with His spirit through one. I didn't portray God's love as i should, and sorry for me trying to make you swallow my beliefs, i'm still firm on Jesus being the truth though. I believe sometimes one wants to prove one's point and not God's, i should just present the gospel with respect (which seems like i didn't), and then if you don't believe it i shouldn't force you. Only i can share my belief,testimony and pray for you.
God will do the work. I shouldn't do God's work. Sorry guys, the last thing i want to is to make you hate christianity more.
Sorry guys, the last thing i want to is to make you hate christianity more.
i understand; one should present God's love not one's point. will surely pray for you. if i don't show love, my many words are in vain.Shalom!
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