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[thread move] Dont Judge Me

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Every night? I will be honest and say that many of my friends have smoked a lot of pot-- but I'm not sure they ever smoked every night. I myself have never smoked, so I really can't put myself in your shoes or give you too specific of advice but here goes:

1. Pray. Give your addiction up to God and ask Him to help you quit. Part of our relationship and walk with Him is entering into His rest, that we don't have to face the world alone.

2. Know the reasons you want to quit. Saying you want to quit is one thing, but knowing why is entirly different. This becomes your motivation and helps you keep focus. When you're feeling like you really need to smoke or drink, instead of thinking about how much you miss them you can instead focus on just how much your life is improving without them.

3. Find an alternative. That is, do something to take your mind off of it. I wouldn't reccomend another "substance" like coffee, because then you are likely to become addicted to that. But doing something like running or playing a sport may help keep your mind off the addiction.

Good luck and God bless. :]
 
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brother, your first mistake was assuming people would judge you. Well, you're merely asking for it when you title it that way.

You seem very uneasy about this. You want to stop smoking pot every night (or drinking), yet you reverse it onto the audience, and then laugh about it while turning it back to yourself. You're not happy about it are you? You do want to stop, but you're friends compell you, you aren't exactly overjoyed to be where you are at...am I hitting anything familiar yet? You don't come straight out and say you want to quit. Your request is much less than that, you only want to stop smoking and drinking every night...so...what? how many nights a week is OK? Just one? Just weekends? you really want to break the cycle? The habit? You have to stop altogether.

Are you in college? Living with friends? Alone? Do you usually drink and smoke with friends or alone? Determing these things can really help to change things up a bit. If you know WHEN you do these things, then you can know where not to hang out so much.

So you don't feel like I'm downing you and acting high and mighty, I'll tell a bit of my own situation. I've been smoking pot since high school. I'm not heavily addicted, never smoked every night (that would have been impossible, my mom's a freak at catching people out at stuff like that), but once I left the states, I could drink as much as I wanted, and I have. I don't quit things, I merely trade off for a new one for a while. I haven't been drinking for a while now, I haven't got any money. I have just enough for food. I get to drink every couple weeks or so, but not ever enough to be drunk. Also, besides that fact, I'm actually trying to stay sober because being drunk and high makes me feel stupid and it's just ridiculous.

So, do you really want help? Do you want to stop for good? Or just do it less? Can you be serious about it or are you just going to be shifting focus and joking about it?
 
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yikes, well uh, i didn't mean to come off the wrong way, just keeping it light...
if i wasn't serious, i def. wouldn't be posting here bud.

i've actually never really opened up about this before so just bear with me, sorry

i don't feel like i'm addicted to them. i mean, i know i could stop tomorrow and never touch either of them again. it's more of a situation where i feel stuck. stuck around the same group of friends in college, yet trying to make friends with the Christians on campus but can't really because i know what group of friends i really hang out with. which keeps me ALSO from getting to know the Christian girls closely too.


heh. i don't know, i'm just ready for my life to head in a direction i know it should go.
 
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No harm done, i'm simply trying to ring you back in, rally you a bit. What you're dealing in CAN become very serious, although currently it seems quite like it hasn't. It's obvious to me that you are trying. This is terribly important. What you're experiencing more or less, however, is yourself holding yourself back. Because you EXPECT something, you are making it happen. I can see that immediately from the title of your post, and what you just explained to me. You EXPECT people to judge you, therefore causing people to judge you. You EXPECT people to dislike you because of the friends you hang out with and the things you do, and therefore, seemingly, they do. This isn't the case! You project your feelings into situations, and often, without knowing it, make the situation uneasy for others who tend to then treat you poorly or ignore you or whatnot. You feel as though they know who you hang out with, the activities you are pursuing, etc. You know that you're holding yourself back. You're thinking about it all wrong. Don't think because you have certain friends that you can't change friends and get new ones. How close are you to graduating? Do you have programs at your college to go abroad, spend a semester at a satellite campus, or something like that? This can be very helpful as a change in environment can allow us to change our activities. This can also allow us to gain new friends. The trouble here then however, is keeping these new activities and friends when we return to the old place. This is difficult but can be done. If you have no other place to spend a semester at, that isn't saying it's not possible to change yourself, it is simply another possiblity (studying somewhere else I mean, merely an idea, by no means a requirement).

So you feel stuck, alright...hmm...are you going to church? Whether you are or not, make sure that you are going to a church that isn't going to say "you smoke pot? GET OUT" upon receiving that sort of news. Those aren't the kind of christians you need to be hanging out with, those are high and mighty puff balls who think God's going to let them in first (won't they be surprised when you walk in ahead of them, ha!). Anyway, church is terribly important. You need to be getting yourself around christians on a weekly basis. Even better, start going to a bible study, prayer group, etc...(both is great, yes). Ease in slowly, don't just throw yourself in. Start going to church, get to know some people, find out about their bible studies, groups, theology, etc and then pick some group or study to begin attending. Don't just go once and blow it off...try it out for a couple months, see how it goes. if you like the way things go, stick with it, if not, try another aspect, if the church just doesn't flow, find another. What really matters is finding people you can relate to who can also help lift you up and away from your earthly desires and stuckness.

The more time you spend with christian friends, the less time you will have for your pot smoking, drinking friends. This will begin to happen naturally as you move towards new friends. It has to be conscious although it doesn't have to hurt too much. And one last thing...don't be trying to get clean, get christian friends, and a girl friend all at once...try just getting on solid ground and out of the drug and drinking habit first...otherwise, you could end up dragging down the girl. Just a suggestion, unless you think you could deal okay...usually, we can't deal as well as we think we can. most people surprisingly don't know themselves all too well, even though they could swear up and down the US coast that they do.
 
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Following up on M. Es post and going back to your last, you say you know you could stop both tomorrow?

Okay, do exactly that. For a specific period. A week, two weeks, a month. Tell a few people you see every day that you're doing it. And see how it goes.

The First Step of A.A. and N.A. involves recognizing that "our lives had become unmanagable," and there's certainly some evidence of unmanagability in your being "stuck" with one group of friends and unable to pursue another because you drink and blow pot. Sounds like your habits are taking away your freedom to choose. So, make this choice, and see if it's as easy as you think.

BTW, I have for one reason or another never done pot; but I drank steadily for something on the order of 21, 22 years; and have now been sober for over 24. Though you were a little harsh in your original post, I think you're on the right track. The people you want to talk to are the people who've been where you are.
 
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well.. i've decided that here's what i'm gonna do. i know if i prepare myself mentally, i can take on the task of declining every hangout session with my friends. SO, for the next two weeks, i'm going to completely decline/ignore everyone of my bad influence friends when they ask to hang out, including every party-sized hang out also.

i demand my life go in the direction it should already be.

and now... what will i do with all this time? i guess try to connect with some Christian people and perhaps find some Godly friends.

any help while i undertake this task would be so much appreciated.
much thanks guys.]
 
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You have to know it's gonna be hard. I can tell you've already begun to realize that...don't underestimate it..especially with you doing it cold turkey in all matters (friends, alcohol, hangouts, pot). It's going to be seriously rough...but stick by it. Stick by God. You seem to mention friends who are godly, but don't really mention God himself. Where's He at in all this?
 
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We'll be here. I'll be following this thread.

Though you don't view yourself as addicted, you might check out some local AA and NA meetings. These folks know a lot - from experience - about finding "new playmates, new playgrounds." And if your local Christian groups are any good, they aren't going to be all that curious about why you're coming to visit. (If they are, keep looking. You've no doubt already noticed that we Christians are a mixed lot.)

You're quite insightful, already recognizing that in setting out on this road you're not just changing a behavior or two, but your entire life. Expect to be afraid and uncertain now and then; and it will help if you can laugh at your missteps and mistakes. (I always found AA meetings a great place for that.) Pray. Let God work through you, try to stay out of your own way; and remember: "Easy does it; but do it."
 
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What is wonderful about recovery is we all come from different backrounds, but the stories of addiction are very much the same. Trying to stop alone is very hard, so it is good to surround yourself with supportive people who understand addiction. The brain is very tricky when it comes to getting something it craves and desires.

The chemistry of the brain changes the way it releases natural calming neurons with abuse of drugs, so the brain now wants to function the way it has become feeling this is normal. This is what obsession of the brain means in AA meetings

If you find that you can not stop on your own then you know you will need help/support.

Going to AA/NA meetings does not mean you are a failure, but it is a education to understand why we do the things we do with addiction and how others who suffer with the same things found ways to survive, and live.

God Bless
 
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LOL. my goal was a little too much! even though weed is completely non-addictive in itself, you never know if they salsa dip it in something which DOES addict you, physically.

It's definitely not a 'i have to smoke or i'll die' kind of thing. I mean.. i do crave smoking a little, not gonna lie! but i feel that's because i haven't officially decided to stop entirely. There needs to be some sort of lifestyle change that occurs before I just up and quit like I tried. ... Different things that happen trigger different lifestyles, and that's what I need before I shutdown pot out from my life.

i've developed a few different strategies which i think can really help ME to undertake this task of quitting marijuana/potfriends.

STRAT 1) Operation girlfriend
See, I figure if I get a cute little Godly girlfriend, (which is realistic for me) then all of the sudden boom I'm held accountable for my actions and I incur a lifestyle change FAR more significant to me than when I started smoking.

STRAT SUPPORT) Immerse myself in God's Word.
While I read my Bible, hide His Word in my heart, and focus on God's Word; this is the perfect support I need to allow God to work in my life. Well, can't say I do this every day, but I know if I do, it will be a starting point to finding the right girl, and allow God to work in my life, straightening out this rough edge, heh.

Well, that's all I have so far. I'm really excited about my plan, so tell me what you think!!
 
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Don't kid yourself, weed is addictive. That's because addiction is something that takes place between your ears as much or more than in some substance. Just look at the people who are addicted to power, sex, or salted pretzels.

Still, you're thinking and that's good; but be careful. Plenty of those "Christian" girls do weed and booze, then go through the motions of praying for forgiveness. And unless you have prior experience with the Bible, you may find it intimidating. (Start with the four Gospels. That'll at least introduce or reintroduce you to Jesus.)

I'll again recommend AA, NA or both. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at what you find there. Contrary to what you may think, meetings are usually more upbeat than downbeat and include several good laughs (almost always at ourselves). Also, these guys and gals can help you strategize. Not everything they suggest will be a good fit for you but, as we say, "Take the best; leave the rest."

Good to hear from you. Keep coming back!
 
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When you said weed is non-addictive a terrific guy from a rehab I worked at comes to mind. He was having a hard time not using, left and started using again. His life is a mess because of long term continued pot abuse/ addiction. I wonder where you got that, because like Bob said anything can be, especially mind altering drugs.I remember when they said cocaine was not addictive in the early 80's.

Looking to some one else to change you ( a girl) doesn't work because as soon as you get upset with one another it is a great excuse to use, relapse This is why it is so important to do it for yourself, with the help of Jesus Christ. Maybe look into a church group of people in recovery. Or as we have mentioned, AA if you can't stop.
 
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I can somewhat agree with what Blessewe said on the part of the accountability with a gf. This can go downhill quickly. I highly recommend you find an accountability partner from amoungst your side of the species (another dude) who knows what it is like to do pot and can stand by you. Go to NA, check it out. This is a great place to find people who are recovering or feel very recovered but still stick around to provide support. They know what it's like...what it feels like to deal with the desire to do pot, to have trouble keeping it out of their life because of friends or lifestyle changes or what not. I'm going to continue to try to push the gf idea out of your head a bit because I think you should really be focusing on getting your life cleaned up and getting right with God. I really hate the "date God" motto, but staying out of the dating scene(or at least not actively seeking a partner) can be beneficial. Don't date someone so they can support you, date someone because you adore them, want to do the best for them (even if it means walking away), and want them to be happy...don't date someone for a reason about yourself so much...it's not right.

Have you gotten to a church yet? Checked any out?
 
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thanks for the feedback guys, i really appreciate it and all the insights you guys offer.

it's been three days so far and i haven't smoked. and i figured out which girl i'm gonna mack on/pursue.

i've been filling my time with other things, like basketball, class, games, and trying to study (lol). though i've been immersed in pot for the last couple years, i've been a lil consistent at attending this Bible study on the side (where they're almost all girls heh heh heh), and obviosuly, where this chick is.

i see where you guys are coming from and it IS important that I pursue a Godly girlfriend for the right reasons, which i believe i am doing, and is what i want. but before i take action on this girl, i'm going to just wait a couple weeks and stop smoking, getting things together and in order really well.

well, nothing is set in stone, but i feel like things are making a turn in the right direction.

that's my update!

P.S. i usually go to church, off and on, but i imagine i'll be going much more now.
 
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It might help, not just the services; but the volunteer opportunities. As I've written before, a lot of what you're looking for is "new playmates, new playgrounds," and most churches offer a variety of both. The basketball is good, the better shape you're in the easier it is to stay away from addictives.
My only advice is that you not rush in to a relationship. That's not to say you should act like a cloistered monk, but over the next few weeks and months you're really going to find that in getting sober you haven't just changed a bad habit or two, but your whole life. There are going to be stresses and you may find yourself having episodes of fear. A serious relationship can be a bad thing to add to an already heavy load.
Take it one day at a time, one minute at a time if you have to. and keep coming back!
 
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