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Last I checked "We the people" are the state. Perhaps if people stopped seeing it as a separate entity and actually worked to ensure their government was representative of their view we would have less issues?Maybe this is the heart of the controversy. Some feeling the parents should have control over their children's education and others thinking the state should control it.
That's nice, in theory, but I don't think we have a diverse enough political party portfolio to choose from.Last I checked "We the people" are the state. Perhaps if people stopped seeing it as a separate entity and actually worked to ensure their government was representative of their view we would have less issues?
What you've presented here is one of those "no perfect answer, so we just have to pick the best answer" situations.Maybe this is the heart of the controversy. Some feeling the parents should have control over their children's education and others thinking the state should control it.
I agree we need more parties, but it is a bit of a chicken / egg situation. We need people to get involved in politics in order to make more parties a viable situation. More parties don't just happen without people being involved in the process.That's nice, in theory, but I don't think we have a diverse enough political party portfolio to choose from.
To think that 300+ million people are going to fit well into 1 of 2 ideological buckets may be a tad overly optimistic.
At best, people are often left in a situation where they have an option of picking the person who represents maybe 40'ish percent of their views? -- while making some serious concessions on the other 60% (and that's in a good year).
There's just too much diversity of thought for 2 parties to be adequate at a national level (and the same is true for state-level as well in purple states)
Ideally we should have 4 parties (left, center-left, center-right, right), but I'd settle for 3 (left, center, right)... at least in the legislative branch.
Um... studied eight years for a four year degree? That's for high school chemistry teacher. Eight years is doctorate level.The person who studied Chemistry for 8 years in order to become an AP Science teacher probably didn't have a whole lot of time to study classical literature (and vice versa)
Part of the major issue with that is that the DNC & RNC control the game.I agree we need more parties, but it is a bit of a chicken / egg situation. We need people to get involved in politics in order to make more parties a viable situation. More parties don't just happen without people being involved in the process.
That's why I mentioned AP courses in particular...Um... studied eight years for a four year degree? That's for high school chemistry teacher. Eight years is doctorate level.
In teaching below college level, there's maybe more flexibility than some realize. Depending on the state, a teacher must be certified, and states have different requirements. But I've seen family members who majored in one course suddenly find themselves assigned to teach another. Again, depending on the state, they have to get a certificate in that course, but it's still not their major. Maybe that's how coaches end up assigned to the most surprising classes.
From what I've observed from the outside looking in, homeschool curriculum can be very solid, with the teacher's material designed to get the teacher up to speed. What I saw advanced with the course. Granted it's a mixed bag, but, unfortunately, so are public schools. I had a low opinion of a history book ours had back in the day due to watered down content and errors, and did not think much of the "estimate" craze. The "estimate" craze had the idea of teaching children to estimate, which is actually good, but before they knew how to calculate the same thing. In other words, a guess without any basis of whether it was even in the ballpark. When I asked one's teacher about that, her replay was "It's in the standards."
I agree the average parent will be challenged by many 12th grade subjects. Of course how well they are covered even at schools varies considerably. (My school never dissected anything, but one frog.) I wonder if the internet and technology can help overcome some of those deficiencies? HERE is an example of Virtual Pig dissection and a Google search will find a variety of videos showing dissections of pigs. (Why do they pick on pigs?!) Perhaps the internet will not only allow parents to teach subjects they are unfamiliar with, perhaps it can give access to students from poorer districts, that wasn't available to them before.Just one example, in my high school bio class, we did a dissection of a pig and a cat, followed by delving into (by getting a first hand look) at the differences in the cardiovascular and digestive systems.
Imagine what a mediocre society which starves its educational systems while demanding “excellence” might look like.My personal main problem with home schooling, is it may lead to a degradation of the school system in general. That is students with educated, active parents will get better schooling, leaving those less fortunate behind.
Imagine what a mediocre society which starves its educational systems while demanding “excellence” might look like.
This doesn't appear to be just a "southern state" (or "liberal vs. conservative values") problem, nor does it seem to be directly linked to funding levels.Mississippi?
Heh. If you grow up on a farm in a family that hunts, you see dissection on a regular basis, except we don't call it that. Dissection in biology was more of the same, the only difference being pointing out the organs and on the farm you don't have the stench of formaldehyde.Homeschool curriculums (in terms of reading materials) can be equivalent, but the environment and hands-on stuff is not...neither are the labs for science courses.
Just one example, in my high school bio class, we did a dissection of a pig and a cat, followed by delving into (by getting a first hand look) at the differences in the cardiovascular and digestive systems.
Is that happening in homeschooling environments?
That already happens. When ours were in school, there were always those we called "The usual suspects." These were the ones who consistently were there on Honors Night. Once, when the school gave away old reading textbooks and encouraged parents to take them for their children to use in the summer, guess who was there. Yep, the parents of "The usual suspects." Those parents were also there on math and science nights. They cared about their children's education and it showed. And yes, ours were in "The usual suspects."My personal main problem with home schooling, is it may lead to a degradation of the school system in general. That is students with educated, active parents will get better schooling, leaving those less fortunate behind.
No, they don't have to get doctorate degrees in order to teach the AP class.Now, you've argued for eight years of study to teach AP classes. Yet the teachers who give them seldom hold doctorates. Doctorates outside of colleges do exist (I have a cousin who's a teacher and has one), but you're more likely to find masters and bachelor degrees among high school teachers.
Part of the picture is probably this:
"The U.S. population in 2020 was older and had fewer children under age 5 than in 2010 or 2000, according to the 2020 Census Demographic and Housing Characteristics (DHC) data released today.
The baby boom generation (born 1946-1964) and millennials (born 1982-2000) — the two largest U.S. cohorts in 2020 — both continued to age over the past two decades. At the same time, smaller cohorts of children were born from 2010 to 2020."
Source: Age Profiles of Smaller Geographies Don’t Always Mirror the National Trend
Eight years is a doctorate, and yet there are high school teachers with a bachelor degree. The continuing education is a different issue and, hearing the the griping from some teachers, may not be all that it seems from the outside. And I knew two rather poor teacher who didn't have problems with these or with certification. That's not the same as teachers who continue studying for their masters and, yes, like my cousin, a doctorate. Yet something I've heard from them was the goal of increased pay, not a better grasp of the material.In a nutshell, it shakes out to about 8 years of time invested (plus the ongoing credit requirement)...
Yes, you'll find some who didn't, but that was also the case with some students who had attended public schools
Eight years is a doctorate,
and yet there are high school teachers with a bachelor degree.
The continuing education is a different issue and, hearing the the griping from some teachers, may not be all that it seems from the outside. And I knew two rather poor teacher who didn't have problems with these or with certification. That's not the same as teachers who continue studying for their masters and, yes, like my cousin, a doctorate. Yet something I've heard from them was the goal of increased pay, not a better grasp of the material.
Yet I know an excellent teacher who started with a two year degree in the 1940s, at an age when most students start college now. Such wouldn't be done now, but it raises a question of how much of requirements is actually required and not creeping credentialism.
To be fair, we do have a low birth rate. Most small towns are dying out.Gee, if only we had more people to give birth to the next generations of children to utilize these schools that we’ve spend all of this money on!
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