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The world is so measured because man sees in part and then applies the measure he sees to it ... Alchemy which means the way of Egypt is all of the soul and yet even this points to truth having come out of it which of course is all a necessity otherwise it would not be so,

drag on drag on and draw me in
cut me no slack till I turn my back
gather me in by scattering me out
oh my Father let out that shout

mozo41 said:

The world is so measured because man sees in part and then applies the measure he sees to it ... Alchemy which means the way of Egypt is all of the soul and yet even this points to truth having come out of it which of course is all a necessity otherwise it would not be so,

drag on drag on and draw me in
cut me no slack till I turn my back
gather me in by scattering me out
oh my Father let out that shout

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In nothing God has not left a path back.

He can not deny Himself ... one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

which says to me we have never bean lost but have lost something ... hmm my mind perhaps ... must have been something I ate

mozo41 said:

He can not deny Himself ... one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

which says to me we have never bean lost but have lost something ... hmm my mind perhaps ... must have been something I ate

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The long climb up Babel ... as opposed to coming down this way ...

You cannot know the language outside of being it.

The language loses its glory when you have to come down to tell it, because the perception becomes less than being it. The tabernacle of Moses was as just as much him as it was Adam, or Jesus, and no less than it is the pattern of coming to where you are.

A convergence into one truth.

a finding yourself in yourself as yourself ... i did not notice before but in the picture our Father handed me it appears a tear is falling from his eye ... i see him more and more and more like he is coming from everywhere ... consuming is a great word

mozo41 said:

a finding yourself in yourself as yourself ... i did not notice before but in the picture our Father handed me it appears a tear is falling from his eye ... i see him more and more and more like he is coming from everywhere ... consuming is a great word

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We're being enclosed ... gathered into the one that we are; yet he gives us as far as we can see ...

By measuring others we justify ourselves, which flows into a be careful how you hear, or what enters into the gates of the city. We all have a part in that which is outside of the city, as a book of works we are judged out of; but this precedes the city which reveals to you who you are in relationship to your father ... It is the truth that plays out in every son.

God's garden is a garden inclosed ...

Aseyesee said:

The language loses its glory when you have to come down to tell it, because the perception becomes less than being it. The tabernacle of Moses was as just as much him as it was Adam, or Jesus, and no less than it is the pattern of coming to where you are.

A convergence into one truth.

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Yes, yes it does...as I now know...and even coming down to tell it make no difference to those who hear by the ear.

Aseyesee said:

By measuring others we justify ourselves, which flows into a be careful how you hear, or what enters into the gates of the city. We all have a part in that which is outside of the city, as a book of works we are judged out of; but this precedes the city which reveals to you who you are in relationship to your father ... It is the truth that plays out in every son.

God's garden is a garden inclosed ...

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Thank you!

PeaceJoyLove said:

Yes, yes it does...as I now know...and even coming down to tell it make no difference to those who hear by the ear.

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It has to be their own name they enter to hear and see the language that they are the sum of.

Aseyesee said:

We're being enclosed ... gathered into the one that we are; yet he gives us as far as we can see ...

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Gathered into the ONE that we are!! Amazingly beautiful!!

Aseyesee said:

The language loses its glory when you have to come down to tell it, because the perception becomes less than being it. The tabernacle of Moses was as just as much him as it was Adam, or Jesus, and no less than it is the pattern of coming to where you are.

A convergence into one truth.

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No, I must interject and say I do not believe the language loses its glory at all when you "have to" come down to tell it...........but understand the lesson of the person of Christ Jesus who was in the form of God but came down to tell it to us. Did His language lose its glory, He who was the very image and outraying and exact representation of the Father's being? Oh, I understand because I once was on this same path of thinking and getting "too sexy for my shirt", and I know it breeds only pride to ascend higher than the stars.......no, I'm sorry but the fruit is not good fruit with this line of thinking here. It says except you become as little children you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven (and like that one Child in particular, Jesus, who THANK GOD happily obeyed the Father and came down to tell it to us and lost nothing in making Himself nothing, but gained the reward of His suffering, the joy of serving His Father and a Bride to boot)......dear friends, it doesn't say except ye become as gods.

Do you know where He wants to gather us..........into His humble sheepfold. Yes, be taken captive into His sheepfold, our vain imaginings taken captive into the sheepfold of His thinking, the mind of Christ who did not speak in this vein/spirit that is being spoken here, at all. Be very careful of what Tree we are eating of...........because both Trees are in the very same Garden whereby we get our food. Which tree is the one that says ye shall be as gods, and which tree is the one that says ye shall be as little children, innocent like Adam & Eve were walking with God before the fall.

The devil would feed you knowledge, he understands dark sentences (parables) which is why the antichrist does as well.....but I'm afraid it all just feeds our pride rather than going in the right direction of increasing humility and genuine holiness which is not conscious of itSELF.

HeLeadethMe said:

No, I must interject and say I do not believe the language loses its glory at all when you "have to" come down to tell it...........but understand the lesson of the person of Christ Jesus who was in the form of God but came down to tell it to us. Did His language lose its glory, He who was the very image and outraying and exact representation of the Father's being? Oh, I understand because I once was on this same path of thinking and getting "too sexy for my shirt", and I know it breeds only pride to ascend higher than the stars.......no, I'm sorry but the fruit is not good fruit with this line of thinking here. It says except you become as little children you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven (and like that one Child in particular, Jesus, who THANK GOD happily obeyed the Father and came down to tell it to us and lost nothing in making Himself nothing, but gained the reward of His suffering, the joy of serving His Father and a Bride to boot)......dear friends, it doesn't say except ye become as gods.

Do you know where He wants to gather us..........into His humble sheepfold. Yes, be taken captive into His sheepfold, our vain imaginings taken captive into the sheepfold of His thinking, the mind of Christ who did not speak in this vein/spirit that is being spoken here, at all. Be very careful of what Tree we are eating of...........because both Trees are in the very same Garden whereby we get our food. Which tree is the one that says ye shall be as gods, and which tree is the one that says ye shall be as little children, innocent like Adam & Eve were walking with God before the fall.

The devil would feed you knowledge, he understands dark sentences (parables) which is why the antichrist does as well.....but I'm afraid it all just feeds our pride rather than going in the right direction of increasing humility and genuine holiness which is not conscious of itSELF.

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I don't disagree; but I've come out of the field this is in.

If you were where I am in the words I wrote, you would not say what you did, but I know you do it out of sincerity.

For the record though, even before I got saved I was never a better than thou art sort of fella, and felt sorry for the deluded people who did; that was thirty-eight or so years ago.

The power of death (is a truth) life possess, just as the treasures of darkness, are the treasures of innocence.

A child is but one form of how to enter and not complete without seeing all the other depictions as this same one (or single) truth; which all relate to who we are in relationship to a soul found, and as a city entered into; a truth of a kingdom/name, a son in us, as us.

But what is found there can only be experienced by the individual, as Paul said, it is unlawful to speak, or their are not enough words that could be said all at the same time to express it.

A child is innocent, knowing nothing........like Adam and Eve BEFORE the fall, when they were walking with God and lacking nothing. Knowledge belongs to God alone, it is only in Christ that He shares and portions HIS knowledge as daily manna according to our need of the day or to have bread to share with another's need, but not according to our lust for knowledge to store it up for our pride and thus become corrupt and full of stink and maggots. Dear friend, if you want to talk about holier than thou, pride and superiority are what I discerned here on this thread unfortunately, it is choking.....and I do not come here in that spirit. Jesus Christ, is our example..........who said if you have seen me you have seen the Father........so HE certainly was lacking nothing and did not speak and teach in the same vein that you are doing here, nor did the apostles whose writings we have for our edification. Are we better than they all now? This was Lucifer's downfall........thinking he was more righteous than God. Your philosophy doesn't call sin and darkness, sin and darkness, deceived into thinking it is spiritually inferior to do so........except that the Lord surely does and expects that any follower of HIS will count these things as enemies too....He who HATES sin.

The fact that God "allows" sin and created the darkness doesn't mean we are either to embrace it or ignore it. Is that what Jesus did.....and the apostles, who were called, chosen, taught, equipped and empowered by Jesus Christ Himself face to face.....? You remember Him I hope, the author and finisher of our faith....?

The fact that new age folks are actually FELLOWSHIPPING in one accord with you here......unfortunately shows exactly what spirit you are of. Because the bible says what concord has Christ with Belial. And it is certainly not love to just leave them in their sins, knowing that the soul that sins will die. The apostle wrote that we cannot partake of both the table of the Lord and of demons at the same time............someone needs to get that message out to new agers badly or else a thing called hell awaits those you people are purporting to "love" and "accept" all the way there.......once you get that message for yourselves first.

God tests all He makes....that is at least one reason for the Tree of Knowledge being (inexplicably otherwise) in the Garden.....to test Adam and Eve, His workmanship......that same Tree is in the bible/garden from where we get our spiritual food.......so be aware you are being tested to reveal the pride and lust of hearts, which needs to be repented of and quickly, else you are in danger of perishing.

HeLeadethMe said:

A child is innocent, knowing nothing........like Adam and Eve BEFORE the fall, when they were walking with God and lacking nothing. Knowledge belongs to God alone, it is only in Christ that He shares and portions HIS knowledge as daily manna according to our need of the day or to have bread to share with another's need ...

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Where does it say they were walking with God ...

You don't actually believe knowledge grows on a tree do you?

If you are in the wilderness, it is portioned ...

There is vast difference between the fruit of the land, and the measured truth in the wilderness, as according to the eyes of your understanding.

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

It is all in him, and he is in you ... as Paul had said.

I believe God has only one son, an only begotten, in picture, not the byproduct of knowledge ... Jesus flatly stated that you cannot add to your stature by thought, which makes, you can't take anything away from yourself by it, the default.

God said my people perish for the lack of knowledge, so does God now withhold it from us so we do (though this is part of the process)?

Your opinion has blossomed into an outright accusation, of who will ascend, and who will not ascend, and now to include others who you do not name, even though you said you didn't come here for that.

Jesus spoke in parables so they couldn't hear ... Paul spoke (not wrote) things that Peter said were hard to understand.

We are in the part of this site that says it is for deeper fellowship.

Love believes all things, hopes all things ... faith works by love, and whatsoever is not of faith is sin ...

HeLeadethMe said:

A child is innocent, knowing nothing........like Adam and Eve BEFORE the fall, when they were walking with God and lacking nothing. Knowledge belongs to God alone, it is only in Christ that He shares and portions HIS knowledge as daily manna according to our need of the day or to have bread to share with another's need, .

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I do not speak or answer for Aseyesee...What you say here, I do not disagree with at all. The way Adam was BEFORE the fall is where Christ want to bring us. He is the door back to all that was (is and is to come) from the foundations of the world. ( Behold the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.) Daily manna becomes fruit of the land once we have entered in, truly. Things are not always as they appear to our thoughts...but truth is what is revealed by God our Father...and contained within the whole of scripture.

HeLeadethMe said:

The fact that God "allows" sin and created the darkness doesn't mean we are either to embrace it or ignore it. Is that what Jesus did.....and the apostles, who were called, chosen, taught, equipped and empowered by Jesus Christ Himself face to face.....? You remember Him I hope, the author and finisher of our faith....?

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Totally agree! We can never ignore those things as long as they remain within...and we must labour in that field which is part of the process taking place within...that HE finished on the cross and HE is the author and finisher! And He promises to complete that work in us. Right?

But didn't Jesus Christ promise to remove them? Promise to wash us white as snow in the water of the Word? To walk in the light (for He has overcome the darkness) that the first Adam once walked in in the garden?

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

HeLeadethMe said:

hell awaits those you people are purporting to "love" and "accept" all the way there

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It is not about accepting, but about judging, which is for God to do. We are called to Love as HE loved us. ..while we were yet sinners. (Not that we remained in that state...or how cLove any other way lays in human understanding and with conditions (by human nature) no matter how much we battle to walk in it. The more he causes me to love the more I can see/been made blind that I might see. Restored!

HeLeadethMe said:

God tests all He makes

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Agree totally! It is part of the process that brings about God's plan to restore us to what was since the beginning...but hidden. We don't need to judge others for God is already doing that to bring about his righteousness and fulfill HIS purpose and plan since the beginning.

Each one, with his/her measure of faith is in the process (of God's plan) and it is from where they are at (Adam in the garden asked of God, "Where art thou?") and restoring us back to that place before the serpent showed up. The victory over sin and death "it is finished" and that is being brought to life more and more within us as the process continues...and does have an end and promise of entering HIS rest...no longer labouring for our daily bread by toiling in the field...but HE freely gives when we enter through the door into the marriage feast. The master serves us, no longer a slave who does not get to remain in The House....the house that God is building...one (white) stone at at time, their new name that only they know.

It is not what we think we know (take not a thought...)but what we don't know that we already know...that HE reveals at HIS coming into our line of sight. Perspective.

Aseyesee said:

Your opinion has blossomed into an outright accusation, of who will ascend, and who will not ascend, and now to include others who you do not name, even though you said you didn't come here for that.

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James 4:11 11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Who does scripture say is the 'accuser of our brethren'?

God has a purpose and a plan...ALL things came to be because of HIM and vengeance is the LORD's. Truly, it is God who must judge...We? We are called to Love...and not from our own understanding/thought, but according to Spirit...with singleness of eye. Anything less, and our eyes are yet veiled.

Aseyesee said:

Where does it say they were walking with God ...

You don't actually believe knowledge grows on a tree do you?

If you are in the wilderness, it is portioned ...

There is vast difference between the fruit of the land, and the measured truth in the wilderness, as according to the eyes of your understanding.

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

It is all in him, and he is in you ... as Paul had said.

I believe God has only one son, an only begotten, in picture, not the byproduct of knowledge ... Jesus flatly stated that you cannot add to your stature by thought, which makes, you can't take anything away from yourself by it, the default.

God said my people perish for the lack of knowledge, so does God now withhold it from us so we do (though this is part of the process)?

Your opinion has blossomed into an outright accusation, of who will ascend, and who will not ascend, and now to include others who you do not name, even though you said you didn't come here for that.

Jesus spoke in parables so they couldn't hear ... Paul spoke (not wrote) things that Peter said were hard to understand.

We are in the part of this site that says it is for deeper fellowship.

Love believes all things, hopes all things ... faith works by love, and whatsoever is not of faith is sin ...

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I came here to condemn no-one, I know the mantras, the way of thinking, and found it left me empty, I mean there is just no air to breathe up there.....that means no Holy Spirit. I found I was missing Jesus and so was thankfully brought back to Him, fixed upon the foundation, the simplicity of the gospel. You say I'm accusing and yet it is the word of God that is CLEAR as crystal about the roads that lead to death and hell and what leads to Life, if there is any accusing, it is HIS words, not mine. We are to rebuke, reprove, correct and instruct........again HIS words through the apostle, not mine.

It is simple....the promised land was poured out at Pentecost.......a spiritual kingdom which rules over the fallen natural kingdom and it was then they received all that they needed, through the Holy Spirit, as they learned to walk in it and be led by Him. But the serpent is what winds its way with subtlety into our MINDS, the carnal mind of MAN, and appeals to our pride and lusting to be our own gods, whereas the Tree of Life is Christ Jesus, the Word made flesh, the mind of Christ. HE is the Knowledge that people PERISH for lack of......because HE is the Way, the Truth and the Life.......Jesus is also our Wisdom and Righteousness. We need to just come back to the simple humble gospel of Christ, ENCLOSED, CAPTIVE in His sheepfold where we find rest for our souls........all the beauty of holiness, glory, wisdom, goodness, and power living and shining through His being, as He lived and taught the Way that we are supposed to live and think. And I'm afraid He simply did not teach what you are talking about, did He.

We don't have much time on this earth, life is so short, just be as He was in the world, that's all, simple.........and humble. If you want a parable, look at Him because He was a living parable of what we are supposed to be in the world.........walking as He did, which just means walking in the Spirit in obedience to the Father.......simple again. That's the problem with simplicity though, we can't take pride in it........He only reveals these things to children.