Thoughts on the deep dive of the capsule with 5 people?

[returntosender]

There's something about that in the bible. If you let a snake bite you expecting god to save you. Don't tempt the lord god

 

[Servus]

I think the reason this became such a major news story is because it had the rescue mission aspect to it. Like miners trapped by a cave-in or a kid stuck in a well. Those kinds of situations are very suspenseful. If it had been immediately known the submersible had imploded, that wouldn't have been nearly as captivating.

 

[Page Poet]

It's not really the same. I mean, we have drones that can show us aerial views, but people still like to hang glide and skydive and go on aerial sight-seeing tours. People like to race cars at 200 MPH on racetracks, enjoy airshows where a crash into the crowd is possible, ride horses that can throw you off resulting in great injury (like Christopher Reeves), and go surfing and swimming in oceans where sharks live.
Taking risks are part of the adventure of life that makes life interesting.

Alright. Thanks, I see your point. But, I wouldn't compare horseback riding or watching an airshow to plunging 10,000 feet below the surface of the ocean. Seems there are levels of risk. We each make our decisions as to the value of the risk. What were they hoping to see inside the pod that they couldn't see on camera?

 

[Aldebaran]

Alright. Thanks, I see your point. But, I wouldn't compare horseback riding or watching an airshow to plunging 10,000 feet below the surface of the ocean. Seems there are levels of risk. We each make our decisions as to the value of the risk. What were they hoping to see inside the pod that they couldn't see on camera?

The same thing people see while at the top of Mt. Everest that they can see from a camera. Same goes for space tourists who have gone to the ISS, or rode on a Blue Origin flight, or will be taking trips around the moon in the near future.
People understand what's at stake when they take risks. That's why those who were going to see the Titanic had to sign a waiver.

 

[Page Poet]

The same thing people see while at the top of Mt. Everest that they can see from a camera. Same goes for space tourists who have gone to the ISS, or rode on a Blue Origin flight, or will be taking trips around the moon in the near future.
People understand what's at stake when they take risks. That's why those who were going to see the Titanic had to sign a waiver.

In that little crowded pod I doubt they would have seen anything. They still had to watch through a camera so the risk seemed worthless to me anyway.

 

[Aldebaran]

In that little crowded pod I doubt they would have seen anything. They still had to watch through a camera so the risk seemed worthless to me anyway.

They seemed to think it was worthwhile.
The rocket capsule that William Shatner and several others went up in (for a much shorter time) was small and crowded as well, but turned out to be a worthwhile experience for them.

 

[Page Poet]

They seemed to think it was worthwhile.
The rocket capsule that William Shatner and several others went up in (for a much shorter time) was small and crowded as well, but turned out to be a worthwhile experience for them.

Shatner's flight was just a few kilometers up and it was all routine. That was all theatre. They were acting. The only went into high atmosphere. That happens ever day.

 

[keith99]

I think the reason this became such a major news story is because it had the rescue mission aspect to it. Like miners trapped by a cave-in or a kid stuck in a well. Those kinds of situations are very suspenseful. If it had been immediately known the submersible had imploded, that wouldn't have been nearly as captivating.

Long ago I spent most of our summer, their winter, in New Zealand. It was while I was in grad school and getting there and back was an adventure of sorts. A few days before I was to leave for New Zealand a DC-10 crashed. All the DC-10s in the world were grounded. Air New Zealand used DC-10s for their long flights. I made it to New Zealand because they chartered a TWA 747! Both companies insisted that their cabin crew was onboard to maintain their level of service. Of course with both the level of service skyrocketed!

A couple of days before I was to return to California a DC-10 on a tourist flight over the South Pole crashed. All DC-10s grounded again. Fortunately for me it was quickly determined it was pilot error. It isn't the plane's fault if it gets flown into the side of a mountain.

It is so similar to the submarine in many ways. It was an out and back flight. It was just so people could say they had flown over the South Pole and so they could look out a window at snow like snow anywhere else. But there was no rescue or suspense issues, and it barely made the news.

 

[returntosender]

Shatner's flight was just a few kilometers up and it was all routine. That was all theatre. They were acting. The only went into high atmosphere. That happens ever day.

Shame

 

[Aldebaran]

Shatner's flight was just a few kilometers up and it was all routine. That was all theatre. They were acting. The only went into high atmosphere. That happens ever day.

They went up to 351,000 feet, which is 66 miles. That's 10 times higher than an airline jet goes. Airliners only hit 30 or 40,000 feet. That's as high as most people ever get into the atmosphere.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/13/1045377132/william-shatner-star-trek-captain-kirk-blue-origin-space-flight#:~:text=The%20entire%20suborbital%20journey%20lasted,(about%2066%20miles%20up).

 

[Yttrium]

I think the reason this became such a major news story is because it had the rescue mission aspect to it. Like miners trapped by a cave-in or a kid stuck in a well. Those kinds of situations are very suspenseful. If it had been immediately known the submersible had imploded, that wouldn't have been nearly as captivating.

True. And it would have been easy to tell that the sub had exploded if they had given us a couple pieces of important information early on. For one thing, they couldn't detect the transponder signal from the sub. They knew that the first day. The sub has to have a battery-powered transponder, and it did. If the sub hasn't come up, it can't communicate, and it has no transponder signal, it imploded. Also, the ballast tanks were rigged to automatically detach after 24 hours, so the sub would have come up automatically if it hadn't imploded.

 

[Sabri]

It would be easy to cry about this. When news of it comes on TV i find myself struggling for air thinking about it. An authority on this said on DBL today , if he had to guess, that it blew when they lost contact with it. That would be the less suffering end. But wouldn't
something be floating? From what has come out about it, sounds like a shoestring and bubblegum mess/invention. They did say there had been 3 prior trips that were successful. There was supposed to be news of it at 3pm. I missed it.

Hmm.
I’m confused.
Yes it’s sad but why would you cry about
It. This man chose to not listen to others who warned him
Not to go.

 

[jayem]

It's not really the same. I mean, we have drones that can show us aerial views, but people still like to hang glide and skydive and go on aerial sight-seeing tours. People like to race cars at 200 MPH on racetracks, enjoy airshows where a crash into the crowd is possible, ride horses that can throw you off resulting in great injury (like Christopher Reeves), and go surfing and swimming in oceans where sharks live.
Taking risks are part of the adventure of life that makes life interesting.

True, Risk taking is a part of life. Heck, the risk of being killed in an MVA is statistically much greater than drowning or choking on food. The link has interesting data on the odds of dying in various situations.

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying

But the issue here is whether the passengers were taking a truly informed and calculated risk. It's being questioned if the vendor, OceanGate Expeditions, was aware that the submersible's design, and its construction from composite materials, may have been unfit for repeated deep water explorations.

Experts say the Titan sub's unconventional design may have destined it for disaster

 

[returntosender]

It's a horrible death. Did they have a split second to think what was happening.

 

[Occams Barber]

It's a horrible death. Did they have a split second to think what was happening.

I know it's hard not to imagine people suffering.

Everything I've read says the crush would have happened instantaneously given the huge pressure at that depth. There wouldn't have been enough time for their minds to even register what was happening.

(BTW: The word you were looking for in post#3 was 'imploded')

OB

 

[returntosender]

I know it's hard not to imagine people suffering.

Everything I've read says the crush would have happened instantaneously given the huge pressure at that depth. There wouldn't have been enough time for their minds to even register what was happening.

(BTW: The word you were looking for in post#3 was 'imploded')

OB

Thanks OB, you have kind thoughts. I thought of you today when the store offered lemon m. Pie. I opted for you know what but i think i will change it too lemon.. i expected your thoughts in the (1 arm topic). It ended with a bang..

If your child “needed” an extra arm..,

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[returntosender]

@ OB Close shave?

 

[Aldebaran]

True, Risk taking is a part of life. Heck, the risk of being killed in an MVA is statistically much greater than drowning or choking on food. The link has interesting data on the odds of dying in various situations.

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying

But the issue here is whether the passengers were taking a truly informed and calculated risk. It's being questioned if the vendor, OceanGate Expeditions, was aware that the submersible's design, and its construction from composite materials, may have been unfit for repeated deep water explorations.

Experts say the Titan sub's unconventional design may have destined it for disaster

The CEO himself was onboard, and died.
I'd say that he was certainly confident in the sub's design. He may have been mistaken, but certainly not deceptive.

 

[gaara4158]

I know it's hard not to imagine people suffering.

Everything I've read says the crush would have happened instantaneously given the huge pressure at that depth. There wouldn't have been enough time for their minds to even register what was happening.

(BTW: The word you were looking for in post#3 was 'imploded')

OB

To illustrate the immensity of pressure at that depth, imagine there’s a scuba tank down there. It’s full of compressed air, exerting an enormous amount of pressure outward. If that tank were to spring a leak, the air wouldn’t escape. Water would rush in and compress that air even more.

 

[returntosender]

Alright. Thanks, I see your point. But, I wouldn't compare horseback riding or watching an airshow to plunging 10,000 feet below the surface of the ocean. Seems there are levels of risk. We each make our decisions as to the value of the risk. What were they hoping to see inside the pod that they couldn't see on camera?

Up close and personal. Besides they could have bragged that they were one of the few....

To illustrate the immensity of pressure at that depth, imagine there’s a scuba tank down there. It’s full of compressed air, exerting an enormous amount of pressure outward. If that tank were to spring a leak, the air wouldn’t escape. Water would rush in and compress that air even more.

Gee thanks,. The rest of us are trying not to imagine.
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