Thoughts on the deep dive of the capsule with 5 people?

[returntosender]

It would be easy to cry about this. When news of it comes on TV i find myself struggling for air thinking about it. An authority on this said on DBL today , if he had to guess, that it blew when they lost contact with it. That would be the less suffering end. But wouldn't
something be floating? From what has come out about it, sounds like a shoestring and bubblegum mess/invention. They did say there had been 3 prior trips that were successful. There was supposed to be news of it at 3pm. I missed it.

 

[PloverWing]

Here's the PBS NewsHour's reporting on the story: Search for missing Titanic sub reaches tragic end with all 5 on board dead

The oceanographer they interviewed guessed that the cause was mechanical fatigue from the two previous dives the vehicle made. Presumably, there will be a stricter regimen of safety tests going forward.

 

[returntosender]

It was just on the news that it was found by the Titanic emploded (spelling). Oh my goodness, i think I'm going to cry.

 

[returntosender]

Sorry, i didn't see your post plover.

 

[prodromos]

In the grand scheme of things it is relatively unimportant. There is such a vast amount of suffering amongst people all over the world that an accident with some wealthy people on a sightseeing trip really doesn't come onto my radar. It's sad for the families, but the money could have been much better spent, not only that of the tourists who lost their lives, but the thousands spent on the rescue effort as well.

 

[Aldebaran]

In the grand scheme of things it is relatively unimportant. There is such a vast amount of suffering amongst people all over the world that an accident with some wealthy people on a sightseeing trip really doesn't come onto my radar. It's sad for the families, but the money could have been much better spent, not only that of the tourists who lost their lives, but the thousands spent on the rescue effort as well.

What if they had not been wealthy? Would you feel more that this story would be more important if those who died didn't have much money?

I seriously have to wonder about people who seem to think that the more money someone has, the less value that person's life has.

 

[Kale100]

What if they had not been wealthy? Would you feel more that this story would be more important if those who died didn't have much money?

I seriously have to wonder about people who seem to think that the more money someone has, the less value that person's life has.

Well if they had not been wealthy they wouldn't have been down there in the first place. But that's rather tangential.
I believe Prodromos was merely showing disdain for wasteful spending and frivolous leisure activities in general, that's how it read to me.
To your last sentence, I think a lot of people have higher expectations for the wealthy. If you are poor you don't have a lot to spare, so it's understandable if you don't spare much, but if you have tons to spare, and still don't spare it, well that's definitely different.

 

[returntosender]

What if they had not been wealthy? Would you feel more that this story would be more important if those who died didn't have much money?

I seriously have to wonder about people who seem to think that the more money someone has, the less value that person's life has.

That makes no matter to me. Ican only think how bad it was to be gasping for breath as your chest is crushed. It sounds like they probably didn't know what happened to them it happened so fast which I'm sure was the easiest and painless way to die. but still it's all so sad being in a totally black capsule with little or no breath.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well if they had not been wealthy they wouldn't have been down there in the first place. But that's rather tangential.

Is that the way to think of most of the original Titanic's victims as well?

I believe Prodromos was merely showing disdain for wasteful spending and frivolous leisure activities in general, that's how it read to me.

Reading it again, I see someone saying that it's not so important because the people who died had lots of money that didn't get spent correctly.

To your last sentence, I think a lot of people have higher expectations for the wealthy. If you are poor you don't have a lot to spare, so it's understandable if you don't spare much, but if you have tons to spare, and still don't spare it, well that's definitely different.

We don't know what they did with their money. Sure, they decided to go on this adventure. But we don't have a clue as to what else they've done in their lives. It seems that the assumption is that their lives didn't matter because they were able to do something most people can't, and that's a disturbing sentiment to have.

 

[Aldebaran]

That makes no matter to me. Ican only think how bad it was to be gasping for breath as your chest is crushed. It sounds like they probably didn't know what happened to them it happened so fast which I'm sure was the easiest and painless way to die. but still it's all so sad being in a totally black capsule with little or no breath.

When I heard the news about how it all ended, I was actually relieved that it was a quick end. What I feared is that they were spending day after day in that small capsule with little room to move, with no power, and the realization that they're going to run out of air. No different than being buried alive, only with 5 people in the same place experiencing it.

 

[Kale100]

Is that the way to think of most of the original Titanic's victims as well?



Reading it again, I see someone saying that it's not so important because the people who died had lots of money that didn't get spent correctly.



We don't know what they did with their money. Sure, they decided to go on this adventure. But we don't have a clue as to what else they've done in their lives. It seems that the assumption is that their lives didn't matter because they were able to do something most people can't, and that's a disturbing sentiment to have.

O well, until the perfection of telepathic technologies, misinterpretations will happen. As such I could be wrong too of course, but I'm quite confident I'm not, given his choice of wording is very much what I would have used to express the sentiment I outlined in the previous post.

 

[returntosender]

Who would take their young son??

 

[Aldebaran]

Who would take their young son??

A father who wanted to do something for/with his son.
The son was 19 years old, and according to NPR, "He had recently completed his first year as a business major at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, Scotland.
So not exactly helpless and uneducated. I'm sure he really wanted to go, and it would certainly be quite an experience. It certainly has been for many others who have made the trip with other companies that make the trip.

 

[durangodawood]

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What if they had not been wealthy? Would you feel more that this story would be more important if those who died didn't have much money?

I seriously have to wonder about people who seem to think that the more money someone has, the less value that person's life has.

When people take dumb expensive risks just for fun there's a certain "eye roll" reaction from the rest of us thats just natural when things go wrong.

Thats alongside real sympathy and a bit of horror at the outcome. Both are natural.

 

[LizaMarie]

It was very risky and apparently they had to sign waivers saying they understood this could result in death. What bothers me was the 19 year old. I’m wondering if he fully understood the risk. My heart breaks for that family that lost two. The other three were adventure seekers and probably understood there was a good chance they might not come back from this. Plus there was someone who paid and backed out due to concerns over safety that has gone in the record with his thoughts.

 

[gaara4158]

When I first heard that there was a submersible vessel lost at sea, my mind immediately went to the curious dynamic shared by four people in an enclosed space with no hope of escape or rescue. Did it dissolve into despair after a phase of denial, a slow burn of reality setting in over the course of dozens of hours without control? Did chaos reign at the end, everyone acting out their most primal, taboo, degenerate urges in a final nihilistic stand, or did they bond together in solidarity over their shared imminent fate?

Then I heard that it was billionaires and realized they didn’t need to be trapped in a tomb to dissolve into degeneracy. We all know what billionaires get up to thanks to Epstein.

Then I heard that it was likely instantaneous, and that there was never any inkling that something was wrong. It’s good news, considering the alternative possibilities under the circumstances. It’s bad news that people have died in an accident, it’s newsworthy due to the rarity of such excursions, but it’s still just another sad story among many.

 

[prodromos]

What if they had not been wealthy? Would you feel more that this story would be more important if those who died didn't have much money?

I seriously have to wonder about people who seem to think that the more money someone has, the less value that person's life has.

You've passed over my key point and fixated on the financial, which I only mentioned in passing. This was front page news, but if an overcrowded ferry boat capsizes on the Ganges river in India taking hundreds of lives, it will barely get a mention. Many lives are being lost daily in poor countries in Africa due to violence, but I don't see anything like the compassion shown to those victims as I've seen for the five men on this submersible.

 

[returntosender]

I would have done everything to keep them on top of the earth if it was my child. Maybe even tie them up.

 

[Page Poet]

Why go into a craft, put yourself in harm's way, when robots and cameras can do not only the same work but better? Seems these plungers do not value the real gift they were given by God: their lives.

 

[Aldebaran]

Why go into a craft, put yourself in harm's way, when robots and cameras can do not only the same work but better? Seems these plungers do not value the real gift they were given by God: their lives.

It's not really the same. I mean, we have drones that can show us aerial views, but people still like to hang glide and skydive and go on aerial sight-seeing tours. People like to race cars at 200 MPH on racetracks, enjoy airshows where a crash into the crowd is possible, ride horses that can throw you off resulting in great injury (like Christopher Reeves), and go surfing and swimming in oceans where sharks live.
Taking risks are part of the adventure of life that makes life interesting.