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Then who is the Theophilus that Luke addresses in both letters? If Luke is an employee of Paul why are his letters addressed to someone else. My thinking is Luke was commissioned by Theopilus.Luke wasn't a disciple of Christ. He was an employee of Paul.
Which books of the Bible does your Christian canon consist of? Just curious.....I love the Christian canon. It just happens that my Christian canon (and the Catholic, Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, etc. canons) are apparently different than your Christian canon.
Originally Posted by Lovely Jar
Paul was misled and possessed by a demon. Not by Jesus.
Jesus said if anyone comes to you and claims to be sent by him, performs signs and miracles, etc... do not believe them.
That should be it for the Christian. Jesus said it! But Paul follows the exact pattern that Jesus warned not to believe.
I love the Christian canon. It just happens that my Christian canon (and the Catholic, Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, etc. canons) are apparently different than your Christian canon.
We note here that you think that which you proclaim to love is full of untruths. Which begs the question then do you love the lie?I love the Christian canon. It just happens that my Christian canon (and the Catholic, Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, etc. canons) are apparently different than your Christian canon.
Question - would that be opening Pandora's box? I'm limited on time.Btw, did anyone see this post on another thread concerning Paul being possessed by a demon?
http://www.christianforums.com/t7770292/#post64131188
What Gospel did Paul preach
Me tooIt doesn't surprise me some jews don't like Paul. They didn't like him then too and he was sent to the gentiles.
I love the letters of Paul, I love Romans 8 about the new nature and being lead by the Spirit and Romans 13:
.Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,[a] You shall not covet, and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law
Romans Chapter 13
A few variances in the greek texts for this verse.
#5021 used 8 times in 8 verses according to KJV Concordance [W-H adds Matt 8:9].
Used 2 times in Gospels [1 each in Matt 28/Luke 7], 4 times Acts, 1 each in Romans 13/1 Corin 16.
Some bible versions leave out "authorities" in the latter part of this verse [NASB] as does 1 of the greek texts.
Rendered as "appointed/ordained/established" in bible versions.
Romans 13:1 Every soul, to authorities being superior, let be being subject!
For not is being authority except *from God. Those yet being under *authorities* *the* God having been set/tetagmenai <5021> (5772) they are.
Textus Rec.) Romans 13:1 pasa yuch exousiaiV uperecousaiV upotassesqw ou gar estin exousia ei mh apo qeou ai de ousai *exousiai* upo *tou* qeou tetagmenai eisin
Strong's Number G5021 matches the Greek τάσσω (tassō), which occurs 8 times in 8 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
5021. tasso tas'-so a prolonged form of a primary verb (which latter appears only in certain tenses); to arrange in an orderly manner, i.e. assign or dispose (to a certain position or lot):--addict, appoint, determine, ordain, set.
NKJV) Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
NASB) Romans 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
I thought you saw it all as "God's Word"? So why divide the OT from the NT for the purpose of this discussion? I recognize no division between the so-called "OT" and the "NT". My point is, there are disagreements over the canon of the Bible when viewed as a whole.Yes they disagree over the OT. All of those groups (RC, EO, OO, P), however, agree on the same New Testament Canon of 27 books.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. In truth, my whole canon consists of 33 books according to the Hebrew reckoning. Nine of those are the Messianic writings (which you consider "NT" books): Matthew, John, Revelation, 1-3 John, 1-2 Peter, James, Jude, Luke-Acts, and Mark.That is the difference between them and you. Your NT is about maybe 3 books?
Those questions cannot be answered until this is answered first: Which is the authoritative "Christian canon"?We note here that you think that which you proclaim to love is full of untruths. Which begs the question then do you love the lie? Ah I see it is your cannon you love and not the Christian cannon.
The 11/12 Jewish apostles were sent to the Gentiles by Messiah (see Mt 28:18-20), and He commanded them to teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them.It doesn't surprise me some jews don't like Paul. They didn't like him then too and he was sent to the gentiles ...
Which one do you view as the most authoritive?Those questions cannot be answered until this is answered first: Which is the authoritative "Christian canon"?
That was my question to everyone, since you have all apparently already decided that my canon is wrong. I believe in my canon.Which one do you view as the most authoritive?.
I could get along ok with just the 4 Gospels of the Christian NT.That was my question to everyone, since you have all apparently already decided that my canon is wrong. I believe in my canon.
What other canons are wrong? The Ethiopian canon? The Orthodox canon? The Catholic canon? The Protestant canon? Luther's canon? Marcion's canon? The Assyrian canon? The Georgian Orthodox canon? The Ebionite canon? Origen's canon? Athanasius' canon?
"Which is the correct, authoritative canon?" That's one question I can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone on this site.
Yeshua uses the last two verses of this parable as an amazing prophecy of his pending resurrection from the dead. The rich man says that although his brothers may not accept the scriptural evidence for the identity of the Messiah, they will accept the evidence of one who is raised from the dead.LUKE 16:30 "And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "
The 11/12 Jewish apostles were sent to the Gentiles by Messiah (see Mt 28:18-20), and He commanded them to teach the Gentiles to observe everything He taught them.
I was referring to Matthew 28:18-20. What do you do with those verses? Messiah clearly wanted the Gentiles to know and observe the same Way of salvation as He taught His Jewish apostles.You don't read Acts too?
Messiah commanded us to avoid the teachings of the Pharisees.What's the problem with Paul? And if he was sent to the gentiles, why bother read his letters? He explains it to gentiles who don't understand the Torah. I don't bother so much to read the Old Testament.
I was referring to Matthew 28:18-20. What do you do with those verses? Messiah clearly wanted the Gentiles to know and observe the same Way of salvation as He taught His Jewish apostles.
Messiah commanded us to avoid the teachings of the Pharisees.
I could get along ok with just the 4 Gospels of the Christian NT.
You and the Jews can have the OT
2Cr 3:
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unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away.
14
But their minds were blinded.
For until this day, the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament,
because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15
But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
Yeshua uses the last two verses of this parable as an amazing prophecy of his pending resurrection from the dead. The rich man says that although his brothers may not accept the scriptural evidence for the identity of the Messiah, they will accept the evidence of one who is raised from the dead.
But Abraham answers and plainly tells him that anyone who rejects the Bible's teaching about the Messiah will also refuse to acknowledge the evidence of a miraculous resurrection.
This last verse is a sad prophecy about the Jews who, despite God's resurrection of His son from the power of the grave, have failed to recognize Yeshua as the prophesied Messiah.
Yeshua ends this parable abruptly, with no real resolution presented.
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