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This should end the discussion about easy grace and OSAS!
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nobdysfool
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Since you said it, it must be true.
No need to get snarky about it. I have seen many of your statements regarding CalVINism, and based on those statements, You clearly do not have a correct working knowledge of Calvinist theology. You can continue to believe what you think Calvinism is, and is not, or you can educate yourself to the point where you can at least speak intelligently about it, whether you accept it or not. I don't think that is too much to ask. The Canons of Dort are a good place to start.
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Ok, translated, that is, "I'm fine with my lack of knowledge of Calvanism". You can't even spell it right. Please do us a favor and refrain from addressing anything about Calvinism. Or be prepared to be reminded that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Calvinism. I'm not trying to be rude, just pointing out that ignorance is not a virtue, nor does it lend weight to your points. It detracts from them.
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First with cell phones a lot of things get spelled wrong. Secondly, I will never be silent about Calvinism. It's a terrible doctrine.
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That is not the point. The point is, when people spout off about Calvinism, and they can't even correctly state what Calvinist theology teaches, they are being encouraged to Read the Canons of Dort to get a correct understanding of the theology. No one is claiming it is inspired scripture, so you asking such a question displays ignorance on your part. Please take the time to understand what is being stated, and why, rather than just trying to derail the thread with stupid questions.
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What's wrong with Calvinism?
What makes it so horrible?
Is it Jesus that saves you or you + Jesus?
What makes it so horrible?
Is it Jesus that saves you or you + Jesus?
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If it's not inspired, then it is man's theology. That's not ignorance on my part, that's your judgment of me. Why would I believe a man's theology? Do you have a reason for believing a man's theology? Do you know what others believe on this forum? It's seems you like to base your judgments without a correct understanding what others believe. Do not criticize a man without understanding everything he believes. If you do, then you violate your own principles. Take a step back and look at your principles and see if you live by them. You just might be surprised by what you see.
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I am not in the camp of the Calvinists and have never read anything relating to Dort...but what you are talking about here is exactly why they mentioned someone to read them. In order to get a better understanding of what these Calvinist believe they are suggesting reading the Canon of Dort or whatever. They are not saying it is inspired or something like the Book of Mormon or anything. But apparently that it would be like the "Dummies guide to Calvinism" that explains certain doctrines.
But then that is just my two bits. I always figure someone should be able to explain why they believe something first, cite reference materials second
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I am not in the camp of the Calvinists and have never read anything relating to Dort...but what you are talking about here is exactly why they mentioned someone to read them. In order to get a better understanding of what these Calvinist believe they are suggesting reading the Canon of Dort or whatever. They are not saying it is inspired or something like the Book of Mormon or anything. But apparently that it would be like the "Dummies guide to Calvinism" that explains certain doctrines.
But then that is just my two bits. I always figure someone should be able to explain why they believe something first, cite reference materials second
Here is a good primer on the teaching of election.
http://founders.org/library/reis1/reis/
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How in any way shape or form is that teaching universalism? I don't know how to make this any easier. Let's look at it again. (Rom 5:18) "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for ALL MEN.
When it comes to the justification and life for 'all men' who are the all? We know not all men are justified, only Christians are justified. So it's just simple logic here that the justification of 'all men' isn't everyone who ever lived. The 'all' in this verse are believers. What I'm trying to show you is when the bible uses the word 'all men' it doesn't always mean every man that ever lived. Sometimes it means a group of people. In this case the 'all men' are Christians.
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I've already challenged any Calvinist to show any verse that says that one must be regenerated in order to believe. And so far, no takers.
Your position is one from silence.
The fact of free will is clearly indicated by Paul's attempts to persuade people to believe in Christ. If no one has the freedom to either accept or reject Christ, then he was clearly wasting his time. All he really would need to do is just hum a few bars of "Just as I am" and watch the elect come running down the aisles. lol
The FACT of free will is clearly shown in God's request in isa 1:18a - “Come now, and let us reason together,”
If man has no freedom of thought and belief, then WHY in the world would God say that?
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How about showing us any verse that says that man does NOT have free will concerning salvation. This kind of silly argument can go both ways.
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Jesus is our Savior. But that has nothing to do with Calvinism. Every evangelical believes that, regardless of which theological camp they live in.
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I guess my post was completely ignored. The "all men" must be the same people at each end of the verse. Or prove otherwise, using proper exegesis.
My point repeated: if the "all men" at the end of the verse doesn't mean everyone, then the "all men" at the beginning of the verse also doesn't mean everyone. So then, not everyone has been condemned. Only the elect were, but were chosen for salvation (Calvinist rationale).
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