This line cannot be logically true...

[SanFrank]

Why bother explaining the spiritual? It only gets glossed over by those who question.

There is no double standard when the Jewish thought connecting breath and sound came well before islam. The arabs borrowed/plagiarized the idea.

 

[Rascaduanok]

I can't stand hypocrites who'll gladly find fault with others but totally refuse to examine the very same faults within their own community.

Not necessarily hypocrisy. It just can be a little difficult to detach yourself from something that means so much to you (your own religion) and view it rationally. I remember years and years ago I would criticise Christianity and Judaism, but it took a long long time before I finally had the courage to apply those same criticisms to my erstwhile religion Islam… and found it wanting.

 

[razeontherock]

What spin? He does claim that the sound of his breathing is actually "YHVH".
Which, in itself, is just as absurd as claiming that babies say "Allah".

But thanks for betraying the blatant double standard at the heart of virtually all Christian criticism of Islam.

Of course it's good to challenge beliefs that are absurd or even destructive, but again, Matthew 7 comes to mind. I can't stand hypocrites who'll gladly find fault with others but totally refuse to examine the very same faults within their own community.

You're missing the point, and again a certain SNL skit with the name "Jane" comes to mind. How is YHVH pronounced? My best findings conclude it could well be no different than unpronounceable, simply because it is so non-descript that breathing could utter it. Yet this remains unknown, and I don't expect any science to be able to answer this riddle. The possibility I have proposed fits well with everything I see, but nothing more.

 

[Delphiki]

You're missing the point, and again a certain SNL skit with the name "Jane" comes to mind.

Spoken like a true Christian.

 

[Rascaduanok]

My best findings conclude it could well be no different than unpronounceable, simply because it is so non-descript that breathing could utter it.

Then you need to find better:

Name YHWH

 

[razeontherock]

Then you need to find better:

Name YHWH

While it is common knowledge that the Name was not pronounced for so long that it was forgotten how to pronounce it, your source still says it is all vowels. Unknown vowel sounds, of course. What do you get when you lump together a bunch of unknown vowel sounds?

 

[Robban]

You're missing the point, and again a certain SNL skit with the name "Jane" comes to mind. How is YHVH pronounced? My best findings conclude it could well be no different than unpronounceable, simply because it is so non-descript that breathing could utter it. Yet this remains unknown, and I don't expect any science to be able to answer this riddle. The possibility I have proposed fits well with everything I see, but nothing more.

It cannot be pronounced, so no one can missuse or abuse it. Moses may have uttered it,don,t know, it is also understood that Creation came into being through ten utterences. Which I take to mean unpronounceable.

 

[razeontherock]

This still fits the pattern

 

[Robban]

This still fits the pattern

Yep.

 

[Montalban]

God breathed...

In commenting on God breathing, the late Fr Seraphim Rose said this about Genesis

"Some Protestant fundamentalists tell us it is all (or virtually all) 'literal.” But such a view places us in some impossible difficulties: quite apart form our literal or non-literal interpretation of various passages, the very nature of the reality which is described in the first chapters of genesis the very creation of all things) makes it quite impossible for everything to be understood 'literally'; we don't even have words, for example, to describe 'literally' how something can come from nothing. How does God “speak”? - does He make a noise which resounds in an atmosphere that doesn't yet exist?”

Fr Seraphim Rose, (2000) “Genesis Creation and Early Man: The Orthodox Christian Vision”, (Saint Herman of Alaska Brotherhood; Platina, CA), p69

 

[UnafraidOne]

Flyng sphghtt mnstr is the sound we all make when drowning. Confirm? Deny?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Confirm. By coincidence I just finished eating. And that's the sound I made when I tried it out.

 

[Montalban]

Most people breathe most of the time through their nose

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

You're missing the point, and again a certain SNL skit with the name "Jane" comes to mind. How is YHVH pronounced? My best findings conclude it could well be no different than unpronounceable, simply because it is so non-descript that breathing could utter it. Yet this remains unknown, and I don't expect any science to be able to answer this riddle. The possibility I have proposed fits well with everything I see, but nothing more.

You make it sound like a big mystery.

Well, it is not.

Difficulties in reconstructing the correct, original pronunciation result from working with a notation system that only gives us the consonants of the word, coupled with a sacred taboo that prevented the addition of further (correct) diacritics at a later point in history.
"SH M L" would be equally "unpronounceable" if somebody had placed a taboo on it, substituting "the judge" when reading it aloud every time it occurred in the Scriptures.

Nor is this an exclusively Judaeo-Christian phenomenon. We, as speakers of a northern branch of the indo-european languages, will never know the real name of the bear: Proto-Germanic "beron" means simply "the brown one", and is a taboo name substituted for the animal's REAL name because it was revered by our ancestors.

 

[Montalban]

You make it sound like a big mystery.

Well, it is not.

Difficulties in reconstructing the correct, original pronunciation result from working with a notation system that only gives us the consonants of the word, coupled with a sacred taboo that prevented the addition of further (correct) diacritics at a later point in history.
"SH M L" would be equally "unpronounceable" if somebody had placed a taboo on it, substituting "the judge" when reading it aloud every time it occurred in the Scriptures.

Nor is this an exclusively Judaeo-Christian phenomenon. We, as speakers of a northern branch of the indo-european languages, will never know the real name of the bear: Proto-Germanic "beron" means simply "the brown one", and is a taboo name substituted for the animal's REAL name because it was revered by our ancestors.

Reminds me of an Indian who was the Last of his Tribe

He was known to westerners as Ishi, because when asked what he was called, this is what he said. However Ishi wasn't his name - it was a taboo for someone to use their own name. It meant 'man'.

Which reminds me of another story.

The kangaroo was first spotted by Capt. Cook's expedition in northern Queensland.

Firstly of interest this means that the name we hold for the animal is based on only one local tribal name - we've lost what a great many tribes would have called it.

Secondly of interest (if true) it came about when someone asked an aborigine what it was and he replied "Gangaroo". Which apparently means "I don't know"

 

[AllThatMakesUsHuman]

Hello, I'm new to this forum and all I have to say is that's very strange Arabic writing is written backwards, I wonder

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Hello, I'm new to this forum and all I have to say is that's very strange Arabic writing is written backwards, I wonder

So is Hebrew.
To these cultures, *we* are the ones who've got it wrong.

 

[Montalban]

Hello, I'm new to this forum and all I have to say is that's very strange Arabic writing is written backwards, I wonder

It's not backwards. Simply that their 'forwards' if right to left

 

[Rascaduanok]

Even in Arabic, though, the numbers go from left to right.