This just happened....

[visionary]

Well, one thing is for sure, brushing this off as no big deal is not teaching the children that it is a crime...

 

[Polycarp1]

In my opinion -- it is a criminal act anywhere in the U.S. (Nevada's legal prostitution laws relate to licensed brothels, not to underaged teens being pandered out by other teens.) However, I think it would be a mistake to ruin their lives by formally prosecuting them for a sex crime. Both students should be haled before a family court and given the "you could go to jail but if you stay out of trouble for X years we'll consider legally that it didn't happen" disposition -- in New York it's 'Adjournment in contemplation of dismissal'; in North Carolina it's 'Prayer for judgment continued' -- other states may call it by different names. The principal, on the other hand, should be immediately suspended and face a hearing by the school board, who should dismiss him from the job unless there are facts we don't have.

And as far as I know, any citizen with evidence that a crime has been committed can go to the prosecutor and ask that it be investigated and prosecuted.

 

[visionary]

The principal, on the other hand, should be immediately suspended and face a hearing by the school board, who should dismiss him from the job unless there are facts we don't have..

Are you suggesting that the school board should be notified of what transpired?

 

[Polycarp1]

IMO, it should be brought to the official attention of both the school board and the public prosecutor -- but not, for the reasons I gave (or implied) be treated as an adult crime. OTOH, the principal should be held to account for his dereliction of duty.

 

[MarcusHill]

The principal is dead wrong, and sending out the wrong message. Pimping is certainly, in the real world, a worse crime than prostitution. It is almost invariably exploitative, whereas there are some women who are prostitutes through choice and who make a good living from it. As for police involvement, that's a tougher call, but on balance I'd say they should be involved. The prosecutors are supposed to take into account whether a prosecution is in the public interest, and therefore, ideally, would choose to issue a reprimand rather than seek to criminalise the young people if that would be more beneficial all round.

 

[Beanieboy]

I'm unclear about a number of things:

The girl is being pimped out. To whom? Why are they not called into question? It's one of those weird double standards where going to a prostitute is ignored, or even allowed by many, but being a prostitute is considered wrong or immoral. I've never understood that.
* is she being pimped out to other high school kids, or adults? That is another issue.
* how did they get caught by the principal?
* I don't think it is the principal's job to deal with the situation. They are doing something illegal. It is for the police to handle
* Why would the principal be okay with someone who employs and controls prostitutes, but not prostitutes? That takes us back to question one.

 

[wanderingone]

I just think that the school/community/parents are better equipped to handle this than the police. they have their own counselors (at least the high school i went too did) and unlike whoever works for the cops they actually know the kids involved, so that means they wouldn't have to start from scratch in talking to these kids.

Also cops in my experience are often extremely legalistic, which could have problems. I could imagine them doing procedural things which they are required to do by law yet apparently serve no purpose other than to humiliate the children involved, for example formal arrest, court hearings, etc. Then you get the lawyers involved and it just turns into a giant mess. I think that it is possible to impose upon the children the seriousness of their actions but it would be better to do it in a one-on-one fashion without spectators.

If it's not a violent crime or some kind of serious theft i wouldn't ever consider it necessary to get the cops involved.

I don't know that the majority of schools do have the resources to provide appropriate intervention, and the fact that these kids did conduct their activities at school indicates their own view of the authority of the school. I also wouldn't trust a school under the leadership of that principal to provide appropriate intervention.

Depending on the circumstances this may very well have been violent crime.
Exploitation is a form of violence.

 

[wanderingone]

Wonderful example of our godless public schools. This is what happens when you teach sex ed and things like evolution. Cheapens the view of life. Now kids are shooting each other and prostituting themselves. Theres your accomplishment secular world.

Uh.. yeah... prostitution is the result of sex education LOLOLOLOL. Do we know WHAT classes these particular kids actually took? Do we know what religion their families practiced?
Better find out what mom and dad have taught their kids as well. I'd say the majority of kids are NOT working as pimps and prostitutes in their schools.

 

[LittleNipper]

age - 17
yes, boy and girl are making money from this little venture.
principle sees nothing wrong with what the boy is doing, just the girl.

It really dedends on who was coercing whom... It is not morally right for a man to be a pimp. There are no morals in public schools. Therefore, it really becomes a matter of opinion and fault finding. It is possible that the girl wanted the guy to find her clients. Both have sinned, but try running that through today's courts...

 

[wanderingone]

It really dedends on who was coercing whom... It is not morally right for a man to be a pimp. There are no morals in public schools. Therefore, it really becomes a matter of opinion and fault finding. It is possible that the girl wanted the guy to find her clients. Both have sinned, but try running that through today's courts...

It isn't a matter of opinion when it comes to the legal matter, (despite your own opinion about public schools)

Legally it doesn't matter who wanted who to do what- even if neither was exploiting the other it's not legal to be a pimp just because someone wanted you to be one.

You don't need to bring religious beliefs into the legal matter - even when prostitution is legal it's not legal in these circumstances, both broke the law.

 

[Beanieboy]

I still don't understand the question.

It's like saying, A Homecoming Queen is snorting coke in the gym when the Principal walks in. He has no problem with this.

A) It's a legal issue, regardless of what the Principal thinks.
B) Why would a Principal be unconcerned that the student is not only doing something illegal, but doing something illegal on school property?
C) Would it matter that he has no problem with the Homecoming Queen selling it, but had a problem with the Cheerleader snorting it?

None of the scenario makes any sense.

 

[keith99]

It really dedends on who was coercing whom... It is not morally right for a man to be a pimp. There are no morals in public schools. Therefore, it really becomes a matter of opinion and fault finding. It is possible that the girl wanted the guy to find her clients. Both have sinned, but try running that through today's courts...

For once I agree with you.

This whole thread is a headline and no article. Absolutely no details at all. From what little we have it looks like the principal is at least rather foolish, but there are enve possibilities where this is not true.

 

[visionary]

It is true, the mother of the child told me... why she was late for work.

 

[Andreusz]

I still don't understand the question.

It's like saying, A Homecoming Queen is snorting coke in the gym when the Principal walks in. He has no problem with this.

A) It's a legal issue, regardless of what the Principal thinks.
B) Why would a Principal be unconcerned that the student is not only doing something illegal, but doing something illegal on school property?
C) Would it matter that he has no problem with the Homecoming Queen selling it, but had a problem with the Cheerleader snorting it?

None of the scenario makes any sense.

BB, have you ever MET a headmaster? Headmasters are not chosen for sense. They are chosen because they are adults who actually take school sports seriously.

 

[WatersMoon110]

It is true, the mother of the child told me... why she was late for work.

The thing is, we don't know this mother in question. For all that we know, she could have lied to you, you could have misunderstood what she said, or you could even be making the story up yourself. Since there is not a news article about it, we cannot verify your story.

Would you believe me if I said "the principle in question told me that the mother in question was well known for making up outrageous excuses about why she is late for work"? (I hope not, because I'm making that up!)

 

[visionary]

THen.. go with the hypothetical.. if an eye witness acount whom I believe told the truth.

 

[WatersMoon110]

THen.. go with the hypothetical.. if an eye witness acount whom I believe told the truth.

But the hypothetical makes no sense. I could also suppose that the moon actually is made of green cheese, and be just as productive.

As the wondrous Beanieboy already pointed out:

A) It's a legal issue, regardless of what the Principal thinks.

The student or students in question should be arrested (depending on if the prostitute was a victim of the pimp, or was a willing participant), and if the principal was found to have a part in allowing it to happen, he should be arrested as well.

And, if you actually do know an "eye-witness" you should encourage her to call the police. What happened was illegal, and should result in legal charges even though it happened on school grounds.

 

[visionary]

But the hypothetical makes no sense. I could also suppose that the moon actually is made of green cheese, and be just as productive.

As the wondrous Beanieboy already pointed out:
The student or students in question should be arrested (depending on if the prostitute was a victim of the pimp, or was a willing participant), and if the principal was found to have a part in allowing it to happen, he should be arrested as well.

And, if you actually do know an "eye-witness" you should encourage her to call the police. What happened was illegal, and should result in legal charges even though it happened on school grounds.

Kind of hard getting a mother to turn her son over to the police for pimping.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Kind of hard getting a mother to turn her son over to the police for pimping.

Then perhaps you should turn him in? After all, what he did was both illegal and unethical.

If her son is pimping, and at school no less, she can't be a very good mother, now can she?

 

[cantata]

Eye witness accounts are notoriously unreliable anyway.