This just happened....

[visionary]

Honor role male high school football playing student pimps fellow female student on school grounds. Gets caught. Principle says if it wasn't for female parents getting upset if he did not give male student the same punishment as the female. Punishment is Three days in alternative school. Principle tells male student's parents that he would have done the same thing if he was that boy.

Did the principle act correctly?
Why did the principle not call in the police?
Do you think the punishment was appropriate?

 

[wanderingone]

Honor role male high school football playing student pimps fellow female student on school grounds. Gets caught. Principle says if it wasn't for female parents getting upset if he did not give male student the same punishment as the female. Punishment is Three days in alternative school. Principle tells male student's parents that he would have done the same thing if he was that boy.

Did the principle act correctly?
Why did the principle not call in the police?
Do you think the punishment was appropriate?

I guess my question is, what do you mean "pimps"?. Was he literally acting as her pimp? Was he forcing, coercing, manipulating her to have sex? Payment was actually being made?

How old are we talking about (freshman, seniors? 14, 18?)
Principle sounds like a twit (and a sexist ignorant twit at that)

3 days in alternative school for prostitution on school grounds? Not quite appropriate but again it would depend on the details of the situation.

I'd say police involvement depends on the situation. Kids are really really stupid, stupidity shouldn't always result in a police record.

 

[visionary]

age - 17
yes, boy and girl are making money from this little venture.
principle sees nothing wrong with what the boy is doing, just the girl.

 

[arielette]

Honor role male high school football playing student pimps fellow female student on school grounds. Gets caught. Principle says if it wasn't for female parents getting upset if he did not give male student the same punishment as the female. Punishment is Three days in alternative school. Principle tells male student's parents that he would have done the same thing if he was that boy.

Did the principle act correctly?
Why did the principle not call in the police?
Do you think the punishment was appropriate?

First of all, it was probably illegal in many ways. Secondly, if the principal condones "pimping", he is in my opinion in the wrong profession, maybe he should try the sex industry. He does not seem to care much that the girls parents were upset - so he should have no problem shielding himself from people who take exception at the exploitation of minors. I personally think he needs to be fired and the kids need to be in counseling at the very least. Uber yuck. :o

 

[wanderingone]

age - 17
yes, boy and girl are making money from this little venture.
principle sees nothing wrong with what the boy is doing, just the girl.

Principal needs to be replaced, police involvement is probably appropriate. Boy and girl seem to need some intervention and education - how long did this little venture last? Was it only the 2 kids or were other students prostitutes as well? 3 days in alternative school for criminal activity on school grounds seems weak to me. I'd be far more ticked off as a member of the community, school board, or as a parent by the principal's attitude than the kids stupidity.

 

[visionary]

The girl idolizes the football player.

 

[Nathan45]

Honor role male high school football playing student pimps fellow female student on school grounds. Gets caught. Principle says if it wasn't for female parents getting upset if he did not give male student the same punishment as the female. Punishment is Three days in alternative school. Principle tells male student's parents that he would have done the same thing if he was that boy.

Did the principle act correctly?

He shouldn't have said that to the male student's parents. Otherwise he acted properly, IMO.

Why did the principle not call in the police?

Because police are there to protect us from dangerous criminals not high school students on sexual escapades.

Do you think the punishment was appropriate?

Yes.

 

[Nathan45]

Principal needs to be replaced, police involvement is probably appropriate. Boy and girl seem to need some intervention and education - how long did this little venture last?

They're high school kids, give them a break.

Was it only the 2 kids or were other students prostitutes as well? 3 days in alternative school for criminal activity on school grounds seems weak to me.

Getting the police involved is likely to do more damage to these kids than their high school prostitution ring. What do you think an appropriate punishment is?

 

[BlackSabb]

Honor role male high school football playing student pimps fellow female student on school grounds. Gets caught. Principle says if it wasn't for female parents getting upset if he did not give male student the same punishment as the female. Punishment is Three days in alternative school. Principle tells male student's parents that he would have done the same thing if he was that boy.

Did the principle act correctly?
Why did the principle not call in the police?
Do you think the punishment was appropriate?

Sorry, but I'm more interested in that unusual avatar of yours. What is it? My wife thought it was some weird looking potato, and I thought it was a bloated fat man doing a hand stand.




???????????

 

[acropolis]

in that context i don't see it as being very wrong. both of them were doing it for fun and profit by the sound of it. screwing around is what highschool students do anyway, i don't think it suddenly becomes a travesty just because some money was exchanged.

 

[DarkLegend28]

The principal seems to be more of an issue than the "pimping" IMO.

 

[visionary]

nope.. just an exotic plant that lives only on one island

 

[visionary]

A crime is a crime is a crime.. and no principle should condone criminal activity

 

[JustMeSee]

This sounds like something from a sleazy teen movie.
The principal definitley deserves to be reprimanded.
The teens should be required to enroll in counseling.

 

[wanderingone]

They're high school kids, give them a break.

Getting the police involved is likely to do more damage to these kids than their high school prostitution ring. What do you think an appropriate punishment is?

That's why I asked the age, and for more info. I think at 17 they are a bit more aware of the criminal implications than at 13 or 14 at 17 they are likely to face adult sentencing outside of their safe school environment. I don't think they need to be put in prison, there are plenty of alternatives - some type of supervised "counseling".

Making a bit of money OFF school grounds in almost every state and getting caught would have resulted in some sort of criminal prosecution. Schools shouldn't be the way to conduct criminal activity without fear of prosecution.

My personal opinion of prostitution in general is that it's nearly impossible for it not to be an exploitive dangerous vocation, I would consider it to be unacceptable - however for adults it probably shouldn't be worthy of the current level of criminal intervention (prosecution) Kids have a learning curve, their behavior can't be ignored because they are kids, and these particular kids have the added problem of a stupid principal.

 

[stan1980]

It's heartbreaking when women get trapped into prostitution by their pimps to to feed either their drug habit or because they're illegal immigrants, or many take up drugs after they first turn to prostitution.

That doesn't seem to be the case here though, so I don't see it as being overly serious yet, but probably still wise for the school to nip it in the bud.

I don't think making it a criminal matter is the answer though.

 

[visionary]

I believe a wake up call is necessary to as you said "nip this in the bud".

 

[Nathan45]

I just think that the school/community/parents are better equipped to handle this than the police. they have their own counselors (at least the high school i went too did) and unlike whoever works for the cops they actually know the kids involved, so that means they wouldn't have to start from scratch in talking to these kids.

Also cops in my experience are often extremely legalistic, which could have problems. I could imagine them doing procedural things which they are required to do by law yet apparently serve no purpose other than to humiliate the children involved, for example formal arrest, court hearings, etc. Then you get the lawyers involved and it just turns into a giant mess. I think that it is possible to impose upon the children the seriousness of their actions but it would be better to do it in a one-on-one fashion without spectators.

If it's not a violent crime or some kind of serious theft i wouldn't ever consider it necessary to get the cops involved.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Wonderful example of our godless public schools. This is what happens when you teach sex ed and things like evolution. Cheapens the view of life. Now kids are shooting each other and prostituting themselves. Theres your accomplishment secular world.

 

[OllieFranz]

The police don't decide whether someone gets prosecuted for a crime, the state attorney does. The police only separate the suspect from the victim and if necessary isolate them from society for a cooling off period (which counts as time served if he is later convicted and sentenced), and investigate the facts for the prosecutor. In the course of these duties they need to be very by-the-book because if either side objects to any of their actions, the accompanying facts cannot be used by the other side in their arguments (or in their defense, as the case may be).

Many police departments have developed special procedures, and even have special departments, to use when dealing with things such as sex crime, underage suspects, underage victims, and many of the other things that you claim the school is better at. One thing the school failed at is in the training of the principal in proper procedure and/or assuring that he would follow that procedure.

If it's not a violent crime or some kind of serious theft i wouldn't ever consider it necessary to get the cops involved.

What would be your definition of violent? A playground scuffle is violent to a certain degree, but it is not a police matter. Extortion is not violent, but it is a matter for the police. (And not all extortion is for money (or other material goodies) -- so the "serious theft" part does not entirely cover it.)

What works best is when all the authorities are on the same page, not fighting for turf schools against Child Welfare, against the police, etc. Together they should work out a policy (preferably before it's needed, as to the duties and responsibilities of everyone involved to ensure that it all is over as quickly and as painlessly as possible for the children involved.