This is Why Homosexuality is Wrong. . .

[LittleNipper]

I was speaking in general terms and not you specifically. Don't be so thinned skinned. I don't bite.

 

[LittleNipper]

I'm gonna type this slowly so you can be sure to read it.

I... don't... care... I don't care what you think Jesus said or thought I just don't care. So you don't want to marry homosexuals in your church. I don't care. It's out here in the real world that you're proving to be a pain in my butt. You're causing real world bigotry to occur in a secular society. What Jesus may or may not have thought or said is meaningless to our constitution.


I wouldn't hold my breath were I you.

If you've got a pain in your butt..... Don't blame it on me.

 

[TheManeki]

CHRIST NEVER EXCLUDED ANYTHING THAT COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS SAKE.

Agreed. But you don't have to shout.

That doesn't say much for "gay marriage" now does it?

I don't understand. Nothing in the Bible from God or Jesus condemns gay marriage, and this is backed up in real life.

 

[LittleNipper]

Agreed. But you don't have to shout.



I don't understand. Nothing in the Bible from God or Jesus condemns gay marriage, and this is backed up in real life.

JESUS is CHRIST and IS GOD. GOD gave Moses the LAW. Now if you would like me to post verses from Levitticus I will. JESUS also said that HE came not the destroy the LAW, but to fulfill it. If you want to put your head in the sand, be my guest. But come Judgment Day any attempt at playing innocent due to being uninformed will not work. Nothing in the Bible supports Homosexual marriage.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

JESUS is CHRIST and IS GOD. GOD gave Moses the LAW. Now if you would like me to post verses from Levitticus I will.

Sure. Let's also include the verses that command you to kill disobedient children, forbid you to eat shellfish or wear cotton/polyester blends and regulate just how severely you may injure one of your slaves before it counts as a crime.

JESUS also said that HE came not the destroy the LAW, but to fulfill it.

And he showed it by commanding his followers to leave their parents behind, disregarding his own family when his mother came to fetch him and disregarding all of the unchanged, godly Sabbat laws.

If you want to put your head in the sand, be my guest. But come Judgment Day any attempt at playing innocent due to being uninformed will not work. Nothing in the Bible supports Homosexual marriage.

Shall we check and see whether you are keeping all the commandments issued in Leviticus? By your logic (Jesus -> God -> Leviticus), you are bound to keep all of them.

 

[CriticalMassKitten]

Actually I am a she. I am a professor in a college.

Whoops, sorry bout that. Just kinda posted on the fly.

LN, please, provide something that shows how homosexuals hurt people. Not something from the bible, not saying "it hurts Jesus," not saying because god said so. Something that can be backed up, hasn't been disproven, or the like. As in, an actual person that is hurt if homosexuals are around.

I'd still like to see this at least addressed. If not, I'll assume you have no answer.

 

[TheManeki]

JESUS is CHRIST and IS GOD. GOD gave Moses the LAW. Now if you would like me to post verses from Levitticus I will. JESUS also said that HE came not the destroy the LAW, but to fulfill it. If you want to put your head in the sand, be my guest. But come Judgment Day any attempt at playing innocent due to being uninformed will not work. Nothing in the Bible supports Homosexual marriage.

You make quoting Leviticus sound like some kind of threat. Now I can understand why -- A friend of mine went to premarital counseling with his fiancee, and the Southern Baptist pastor spent the whole afternoon discussing Leviticus with them. Especially, y'know, all those parts about womanly uncleanness.

Now I suppose you want to whip out Leviticus 18:22, because to you it screams out "homosexuality is a sin," but it ain't that simple. The literal English translation is along the lines of "With the male/man to lie the lyings of the female/woman/wife is taboo." Now you may quickly be able to fill in the gaps with stuff about homosexuality, but it's not as obvious to the rest of us.

It's not even easy for Rabbinic scholars, who have tried to fully understand this passage for millennia. One rabbi, at about the same time as St. Francis, came to the conclusion that it meant that in a relationship, there should be one person who assumes the "husband" role and one who assumes the "wife" role; a couple where both people took on the mantle of "husband" or of "wife" would lead to strife. (LN, remember that he was talking about roles here, not actual genders). For more detailed information, I invite you to read Stealing Jesus by Bruce Bawer -- I believe he has the reference for an English translation of the original Rabbinic text. (The problem with checking out all my books from the library is I never have them on hand when I need to refer to them. I should start making photocopies.)

But if you want to go ahead and show us Leviticus 18:22 for the umpteenth time, go ahead. There's still nothing in real life to back up your interpretation.

PS -- Thanks to GwynApNudd for help with the Hebrew. (http://foru.ms/t5882544-&1493&1488&...1493&1506&1489&1492-&1492&1493&1488&1475.html)

 

[Armistead]

One thing all people need to understand that the Levitical law was for the hebrew nation only.

The Cultic/Cultural law was given to the nation of Israel specifically. These laws are not cross cultural, they were for the purpose of building a nation, that would be God's chosen people and the linage of Christ. These laws seperated Israel from other nations. Laws of sacrifice of animals. Some of the laws are of Messianic linage, some to guarantee tribal inheritance of land. Of course many of these laws prohibited many behaviors. Rules were given that seem strange and cruel to our culture, but were specific to maintaining Israels total dependence on God. All of these laws ceased when their purpose was fulfilled, when Christ ended them. Most of these laws are contained within the holiness code outlined in Lev. 17-27. THis code was to seperate Israel from other secular culture and religious practices. Christ did away with all these laws. For anyone to attempt to keep them would be vainful and useless.

Again, Christ freed us from all this law. It serves no purpose. We live under one law..the law of love. It amazes me that people are bound to so much legalism. We are under grace, but many churches still abide in laws, rituals, ect, that have nothing to do with love. That's why so many churchs are filled with gossip, hyprocrisy, judging, ect...Truly miserable christians.


Rom. 8.13, "Nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything is unclean, to him it is unclean. That's clear and biblical. Nothing is unclean in itself. Clearly, sin can differ from individual as he views sin. This often changes one way or the other as people grow and study scripture. If it does not break the law of love and you can be happy in your concscience, the bible says you can freely act, as long as you don't become a stumbling block for someone that is weaker. Somethings you may not do in front of a weaker person. However, if you doubt in your conscience, you should not act, until it is resolved, Cor. 8:12.

Eaach person must exercise their faith before God. Roms. 14: 22-23 "The faith you have, have as your OWN CONVICTION before God. "HAPPY is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.";

This does two things. You are to base your decisions on love and not harming others, decide for yourself, do not let others decide for you, a church, Pastor, friend, ect. You must answer for your conscience, not theirs. It also takes away your right to judge others.

However, IMO Homosexuality breaks the law of love, not the act itself, but the social result of it. That is why God considers it sin.

 

[naotmaa]

This does two things. You are to base your decisions on love and not harming others, decide for yourself, do not let others decide for you, a church, Pastor, friend, ect. You must answer for your conscience, not theirs. It also takes away your right to judge others.

However, IMO Homosexuality breaks the law of love, not the act itself, but the social result of it. That is why God considers it sin.

What's the social result of it?

 

[HaloHope]

What's the social result of it?

Yeh awaiting a reponse to that myself...

 

[TheManeki]

Rom. 8.13, "Nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything is unclean, to him it is unclean. That's clear and biblical. Nothing is unclean in itself. Clearly, sin can differ from individual as he views sin. This often changes one way or the other as people grow and study scripture. If it does not break the law of love and you can be happy in your concscience, the bible says you can freely act, as long as you don't become a stumbling block for someone that is weaker. Somethings you may not do in front of a weaker person. However, if you doubt in your conscience, you should not act, until it is resolved, Cor. 8:12.

As a corollary, Mark 9:43-49 talks about if a part of your body (eye, hand, foot) causes you to sin, cut it off. These body parts can be taken figuratively as bad habits (seeing, doing, going). However, Jesus says if these cause you to sin, tells you to cut these out of your life, not to cut them out of other people's. Those weaker in their faith will eventually become strong. In the meantime, maybe they just need to know "Don't try this at home -- we're professionals."

However, IMO Homosexuality breaks the law of love, not the act itself, but the social result of it. That is why God considers it sin.

Like the others, I want know how it breaks the law of love, as well as real world proof of this claim.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

What's the social result of it?

people being gay upsets the bigots and creates more work for the gaybashers... therefore homosexuals are being selfish and uncaring by persuing their ungodly lifestyle... those are the bad social effects of homosexuality

 

[PassionFruit]

What's the social result of it?

There isn't one.

 

[MercyBurst]

This thread receives a rating of 9 tombstones out of a possible 10 for carnality

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38187148&postcount=43

Read them and weep.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

This thread receives a rating of 9 tombstones out of a possible 10 for carnality:

http://foru.ms/t5982675-christian-persecution-on-the-internet.html&page=2#post38186773

And on the Fred Phelps scale of irrelevent, pointless and misinterpretation based posts, the above rates a full 10 placards!

 

[MercyBurst]

And on the Fred Phelps scale of irrelevent, pointless and misinterpretation based posts, the above rates a full 10 placards!

EP is maintaining the *gay* graveyard.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

EP is maintaining the graveyard.

*smiles and nods, while backing away slowly*

 

[MercyBurst]

*smiles and nods, while backing away slowly*

Everyone is working for their wages. Some work harder than others.

Carnality ends at the grave, where all flesh decays.

This thread earned 9 tombstones out of a possible 10 for carnality.

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38187148&postcount=43

Congratulations everybody, you're doing a great job!!! keep up the work!!! You're earning your wages!!!

 

[IzzyPop]

This thread receives a rating of 9 tombstones out of a possible 10 for carnality:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38187148&postcount=43

Read them and weep.

Everyone is working for their wages. Some work harder than others.

Carnality ends at the grave, where all flesh decays.

This thread earned 9 tombstones out of a possible 10 for carnality.

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38187148&postcount=43

Congratulations everybody, you're doing a great job!!! keep up the work!!! You're earning your wages!!!

And you wonder why some people claim that Christianity is nothing more than a death cult.

 

[MercyBurst]

A one-night stand is a monogamous and loving relationship for one night. Out of all you gay-affirmers, who is going to tell us a one-night stand is morally wrong?