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"... people were led to believe...." most of the world is, was, and will be

led to believe that they do not have to repent, they do not have to turn to God for help, and that it is okay to continue serving demons instead. They don't even give thought to asking God for healing or help or salvation.

Sheep without a shepherd! :(
 
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These are sandstone formations on the Ennedi plateau in Chad. They are indeed many million years old.

One only need drive around the deserts of the American SW (or Canadian) and witness the layers upon layers, not of bedrock, but sediment which became sandstone etc, to marvel at how long each layer took to form at the bottom of seas and is visible now due to uplifting or erosion from first flood as land heaved and inland seas drain suddenly into greater oceans, and later from wind erosion, etc. I live on the northern plains on the escarpment where 2000 feet of sediment from the old original inland sea was scraped away down to bedrock by glaciers, while the rest of the sediment of that ancient inland ocean ( not the one from the melting glaciers) was left basically intact forming the escarpment. 2000 feet of sea bottom sediment on bedrock. An overnight event?

The point is why would God create such a thing in order to fool people when the idea is to have us come to Him, not avoid Him. The more likely explanation is not that God built a very detailed video game or virtual reality to pop in a machine, but maybe man isn't as smart as we think and it is man who has either misinterpreted language or purposely made up tales to suit their limited knowledge. Either way it does not change the fact God created our comprehensible universe and the past is irrelevant as it is the future and the Kingdom to come that should be our focus. In the meantime enjoy the beauty and quit trying to figure out God. We should spend more time focused on fixing ourselves.
 
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Sheep without a shepherd! :(
Their 'shepherd' (whoever they listen to) : A wolf, a lion roaming the earth to devour souls, through religion, non-religion, ecumenicism, world church , politics, money, greed, entertainment, hollywood, tv, .....
 
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Their 'shepherd' (whoever they listen to) : A wolf, a lion roaming the earth to devour souls, through religion, non-religion, ecumenicism, world church , politics, money, greed, entertainment, hollywood, tv, .....

... science.
 
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Really? Their website includes this as part of AiG's definition of the scientific method:

"Is Answers In Genesis Anti-Science?

Not at all! Answers in Genesis (like other creationist groups) affirms and supports the teaching and use of scientific methodology, and we believe this supports the biblical account of origins.

Two Kinds of Science

To understand what science is, it is helpful to distinguish between operational science and origin science and compare how each one seeks to discover truth. Operational science uses observable, repeatable experiments to try to discover truth. Origin science relies on relics from the past and historical records to try to discover truth."

This is not a definition of the Scientific Method.

It's also a total mischaracterisation of the evidence and conclusions they disagree with. The evidence for geology and biology is absolutely real and operational and and be re check and re examined with any other investigatable evidence found.

But the real reason that AiG should be labelled as Anti Science is their Statement of Faith:
Statement of Faith

They don't even permit the suggestion that their personal religious convictions about origins are wrong.

Feel free to tell me if I've misunderstood the context of:
Scripture
No apparent, perceived, or claimed evidence in any field of study, including science, history, and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture obtained by historical-grammatical interpretation.

Man
The special and unique creation of Adam from dust and Eve from Adam’s rib was supernatural and immediate. Adam and Eve did not originate from any other preexisting lifeforms
 
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What is relevant ?

Things that can be demonstrated, tested and confirmed.


Okay, so you assert that I've misunderstood scripture... but how can you show what's right?

Your personal conviction is no more clearly correct than the interpretation of any other.
 
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Right idea, wrong world? Perhaps God's Garden was His little place of order amongst the chaos of an outer world under the rule and perhaps creation of an adversarial god. Was it not our adversarial ways that forced us out of perfection and into the chaotic creation? Was not that perfect world closed off to all? Perhaps our layered sandstone castle is not the world of the creation story. We were cast into an outer creation which would take time and evolution to form as the creator of it was also chaotic and imperfect. People seem to forget who the ruler of this adversarial world is/was and that we humans came from someplace else, cast out when we became adversarial also.. Perhaps the desire to see God as Mono has led us to combine two different creations into one. Elohim, the original word in Genesis is plural. We need to remember this world we comprehend is full of lesser gods, who have pulled the strings and have been given credit for controlling nature. Is it any wonder the true God has gone to a lot of trouble to overcome the adversarial spirit out here and give those who reject it a new home, a place of light from out of this darkness?
 
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In total error, sinfully , lesser 'gods' are feared or deferred to.
We need to remember this world we comprehend is full of lesser gods, who have pulled the strings and have been given credit for controlling nature.
 
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Really? Their website includes this as part of AiG's definition of the scientific method:
And why should anyone, let alon[e] scientists, accept AiG's definitions of the scientific methods?

"Is Answers In Genesis Anti-Science?

Not at all! Answers in Genesis (like other creationist groups) affirms and supports the teaching and use of scientific methodology, and we believe this supports the biblical account of origins.
AiG isn't even just interested in "biblical account of origins", but their particular interpretation of such.

Two Kinds of Science

To understand what science is, it is helpful to distinguish between operational science and origin science and compare how each one seeks to discover truth. Operational science uses observable, repeatable experiments to try to discover truth. Origin science relies on relics from the past and historical records to try to discover truth."

Only creationist ministries divide science in this fashion.

The only "origin" sciences I can think of are abiogenesis (orgin of life) and the parts of physical cosmology involving the formation of this Universe from other stuff (a pre-existing substrate, eternal inflation, etc) or nothing (if there was such a thing as nothing). [Other aspects of cosmology are not concerned with how/why the Universe came to exist, but how it evolved.]

We know how stars and galaxies form, where the elements come from, how planets form, how rock layers form, how species form. These are not "special" branches of science, they operate the same way as every other branch.
 
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The only "origin" sciences I can think of are abiogenesis (orgin of life) and the parts of physical cosmology involving the formation of this Universe from other stuff (a pre-existing substrate, eternal inflation, etc) or nothing (if there was such a thing as nothing). [Other aspects of cosmology are not concerned with how/why the Universe came to exist, but how it evolved.]

People can harp on AiG all they want.

They claim there was science involved, and I claim there was absolutely no science involved; and we are both treated with incredulity.

It's not the science that bugs unbelievers.

It's the claim that God did it.
 
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I think making a claim is a human thing.
YHVH did not claim He did it. He simple did it, and told what He did, as He was Pleased so to do.

God says what He did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, why He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were (some by name).

And it takes academians to scratch their heads wondering what happened.
 
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The more posts anyone makes, the easier it is to see their flaw when they are opposed to Jesus.
How can you find it ethical to claim there’s a“flaw” in
something you know nothing about?
 
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