This is serious......READ!!!!!!!

[GreenEyedLady]

Huh. So, the Jews, then... Different God too?

Doesn't that leave us with foundational problems?

I really think you have not read seebs.

Look, the JEWS accept the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. The JEWS believe in OUR God, they just reject the Messiah.
The muslims belive in a completley differant God. They are NOT the same god. The muslims REJECT the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob and only accept the God of Abraham. The twist in the religions comes in when they reject issac and jacob. Instead they replace ISHMEL for issac. HUGE differance. Not the same GOD!
GEL.

 

[seebs]

There are Christian symbols that are not allowed on some public buildings but other Jewish symbols are allowed. When the holidays are around, people put up a HUGE stink because of the nativity scenes, but if there is a manorah, or a jewish symbol it is over looked. We are becomming the minority here in the USA. Its not bad now, but it is getting there.

Yeah, we're only about 80% of the population.

You can complain about those symbols, and they generally go away. There are good reasons not to have religion-specific symbols on public buildings.

Furthermore, if we are becoming a minority... Doesn't that mean we're gonna be the beneficiaries of this policy against religious symbols on public buildings?

 

[seebs]

I really think you have not read seebs.

I have.

Look, the JEWS accept the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. The JEWS believe in OUR God, they just reject the Messiah.

Er, yes. Note that "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" are three different people who worship the same God. It's the God of Abraham, who is also the God of Isaac, who is also the god of Jacob.

The muslims belive in a completley differant God. They are NOT the same god. The muslims REJECT the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob and only accept the God of Abraham.

This isn't even wrong; it just doesn't mean anything.

There's only one God under discussion, because there's only one God.

The God of Abraham is the God of Isaac. Same God.

The twist in the religions comes in when they reject issac and jacob. Instead they replace ISHMEL for issac. HUGE differance. Not the same GOD!

There is no other God. Or are we henotheists now?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

I really think you have not read seebs.

Look, the JEWS accept the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. The JEWS believe in OUR God, they just reject the Messiah.

Since Jesus IS God, what you basically said is "The Jews believe in our God, they just reject Him." You cannot make the distinction with Muslims if you do not also do it with Jews.

 

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[GreenEyedLady]

The God of Abraham is the God of Isaac. Same God.

NOT according to the Islamic Religion. According to the Koran, the God of Abraham is not the God of Issac.
The Muslims attacked the Jewish Torah, distorting it and making the God of Abraham into some other god who does NOT exsist.
GEL

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

NOT according to the Islamic Religion. According to the Koran, the God of Abraham is not the God of Issac.
The Muslims attacked the Jewish Torah, distorting it and making the God of Abraham into some other god who does NOT exsist.
GEL

Didn't the Jews try to do the same with Jesus?

 

[GreenEyedLady]

No, they didn't do that.

 

[Cright]

Hi All,



Hamtrammic is a hop, skip and a jump from where I live. It has one of the biggest Arab populations in the country of any city! (and it's not that big).



I think it should be opened to a vote for the city and let the residents decide. Which in this case I believe it would easily pass. The city has been taking thank-you's and complaints.


I for one am very glad to see that this is happening. In a country where people are getting further away from God (no matter what they call him) all the time, in school, work, homes, social gatherings ectI'm glad that they are being extended rights. Maybe this will lead the government into giving us Christians more rights that have been taken away too.



Unfortunately in this country for us Christians to have our right to pray in public (on any level) also means that others have to have the same right. Due to religion being banned from schools and government ect. Now other religions must lead they way for us. The Muslims are actually doing us Christians a favor. If they get this right.. then equally we will have our rights to express ourselves in public too.



Sorry that it would upset others to hear someone reminding others to pray to God.. If I happen to drive through hamtrammic and hear the "call to prayer" I'll join in and use it as a reminder to Pray to God in the name of my savior Jesus Christ that I live in a country that is still allowing him to be praised w/out being persecuted.

Carina

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

No, they didn't do that.

Could you explain?

 

[seebs]

NOT according to the Islamic Religion. According to the Koran, the God of Abraham is not the God of Issac.

So, we think they're wrong about God's attributes. So? There's still only one God.

 

[eldermike]

There's still only one God.

I think you are trying to argue a different point. Yes there is only one God but that has nothing to do with the worship of a god. If you call God, God, the He's not going to answer you, Jesus clearly said that I am the Way, the Truth, The Life, no one comes to the Father (The one God) except through Me. There is no path to worship, speaking to, or knowing God other than through Jesus. In Jesus name we can go to the Throne of Grace.

 

[Iollain]

Where is this supposed to take place, anyways?

 

[Crazy Liz]

NOT according to the Islamic Religion. According to the Koran, the God of Abraham is not the God of Issac.

Really? Chapter and verse (sura)?

Muslims recognize Isaac as a prophet:

Say, "We believe in God, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
--Quran_2:136, also 3:84

If you know of a Quranic sura that contradicts this, please post it. I wouldn't be surprised to see contradictions in the Quran. However, when I tried to find anything like you stated, I couldn't.

 

[Crazy Liz]

What about a non-fundamentalist Baptist? I was once Baptist, but I wasn't a fundamentalist.

 

[eldermike]

In a way, we have a Nicene creed issue here. If a Christian allows God to have only one person, they do not actually hold the creed at all. If leaving out "The Son" = the same God, is that not a challenge to the Nicene creed? Jesus clearly said: "If you deny Me, I will deny you". Jesus wrote the first commandment, Jesus gave this commandment to Moses. Abraham saw His day and was glad to see it (John 8). Jesus is the author of the OT. There is only one God, Jesus. So; to say that "a god" with some historical basis, but with another name, one person, Is the same God as the God described in the creed, totally denies the Nicene creed, not to mention, the actually authorship of the bible itself.

No, they do not worship the same God.

IMHO
Mike

 

[97trsgl]

What about noise ordanances?

 

[brinley45cal]

This is simply not true. We are not a persecuted minority, at least in the U.S., nor anywhere near it. The stuff we aren't allowed to do is stuff that no one would be allowed to do. Christians regularly persecute other groups, denying them rights we take for granted.

There are problems, but this isn't one of them.

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[eightfoot514]

I believe seebs' point was that some Christians are just as guilty of persecuting other religions (and non-religions, for that matter).

Personally, I don't feel persecuted as a Christian in America, when I consider all of Christian history. Look at the Christians in the early Church. THEY were persecuted. We should count our blessings and rejoice that our government doesn't feed us to lions in a stadium.

(This was intended to be a fellowship post of encouragement, not anything to present debate). God bless.

 

[Grace_of_God]

I am sure there would be just as much of an uproar if a church did on a loud speaker say...........

I disagree--only in the sense that I think there would be MORE of an uproar if Christians did that, since the white Christian is supressed more than anyone else in our two countries it seems, from my own personal experience.