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[@@Paul@@]

I suppose the god of wicca is the same god too? Come on guys...... I agree with GEL... It is NOT the same God we worship!!

Don't Muslims worship the same God as Christians?

Many Christians accept the Muslim claim that we both worship the same God. They claim that they call him Allah, while we call him God. It is not unusual to hear Christian leaders make such statements. Bible societies have even gone so far as to use the name Allah in the Bibles they produce for Arab Christians.

The problem with this is two-fold. First, history and archeology show clearly that Allah was worshipped as a pagan moon god long before Mohammed came on the scene. Robert Morey, author of The Islamic Invasion, explains:

"Islam's origins have been traced back by scholars to the ancient fertility religion of the worship of the moon god which was always the dominant religion of Arabia. The moon god was worshipped by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making an annual pilgrimage to the Kabah which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kabah seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kabah, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers, giving alms to the poor, etc. These were pagan rites practiced by the Arabs long before Muhammad was born."

"What religion today practices the pagan rites of the moon god? Islam! This explains why the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam. It is placed on top of mosques and minarets and displayed on hats, flags, rugs, amulets and even jewelry. Every time you see the Muslim symbol of a crescent moon, you are seeing the ancient symbol of the moon god."

Second, if you read the Qur'an's description of Allah, and read the Bible's description of God, it becomes obvious you are reading about two different persons. Allah orders his followers to kill those who deny Islam, while God instructs us to love our enemies. Allah had no son while God sent His Son to die for sinful men. Allah is "unknowable" while God seeks a personal relationship with His creation, man.

The spirit behind Islam is an entirely different spirit... a spirit that denies the deity of Jesus Christ. Any Christian who accepts the notion that Allah is God creates an impossible situation. Since the Qur'an contains our only revelation about Allah, they will be forced to look there as their authority. The Qur'an specifically denies the deity of Christ! All Christian witness ends right there.

For more information, read "Islamic Invasion" by Robert Morey.

2Jo 1:9-11 KJV
(9) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
(10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
(11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.​

............For starters.

On the god of wicca:

The God of the Wicca is the Horned God, the ancient God of Fertility: the God of forest, flock, and field and also of the hunt. He is Lord of Life, and the Giver of Life, yet He is also Lord of Death and Resurrection​

 

[@@Paul@@]

opps..

I'm not engaging!! Just voicing!!

 

[Lynn73]

This really scares me that christians actually think we do have the same GOD as them!
GEL

I don't get how any informed Christian can believe that Allah and the God of the Bible are the same. Not trying to debate but I do agree with Green Eyed Lady wholeheartedly.

 

[eldermike]

The Jews do not make the same claim. They always say, their God is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Israel.

Oh I agree, I was making reference to John 8 where Jesus told them that they could not know God and not know Jesus was God. They in a sense were trying to claim God by claiming they were in the line of Abarham, which is a simular claim today. I know they are only rejecting Jesus, but Jesus didn't see it that way, He said they didn't know God at all.

 

[seebs]

I don't get how any informed Christian can believe that Allah and the God of the Bible are the same. Not trying to debate but I do agree with Green Eyed Lady wholeheartedly.

The traditional way is to observe that:
1. The universe was only created once.
2. It was only created by one God.
3. The God of the Bible is the God of the Torah.
4. The God of the Torah created the universe.
5. The Quran claims that the Torah is authoritative.
6. "Allah", like "God", is just a word for "god", used as a proper noun because the people using the word are monotheists.
7. There was only one entity which made a covenant with Abraham.

In short... If you address a letter to "creator of the all things seen and unseen", there's only one place it can go. If you call out to "the God of Abraham", you only have one option.

That would be how an informed Christian could conclude that the God of Abraham is, in fact, the God of Abraham.

(And, for the record, Quakers are considered a kind of Anabaptist by site rules.)

 

[GreenEyedLady]

The traditional way is to observe that:
1. The universe was only created once.
2. It was only created by one God.
3. The God of the Bible is the God of the Torah.
4. The God of the Torah created the universe.
5. The Quran claims that the Torah is authoritative.
6. "Allah", like "God", is just a word for "god", used as a proper noun because the people using the word are monotheists.
7. There was only one entity which made a covenant with Abraham.

In short... If you address a letter to "creator of the all things seen and unseen", there's only one place it can go. If you call out to "the God of Abraham", you only have one option.

That would be how an informed Christian could conclude that the God of Abraham is, in fact, the God of Abraham.

(And, for the record, Quakers are considered a kind of Anabaptist by site rules.)

I disagree with you.
This informed Christian is lacking information. The GOD of Abraham is not OUR God. That is my point. Our God, is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob (Israel) which is WHY muslims do not accept Christ. Because they do not believe that The God of Abraham is also the God of Issac and Jacob (Israel). They believe that the God of Abraham is the God of Ishmel.....and Muhammad. Right there is where the Christian becomes uninformed and lacks information THINKING that the Muslism and Christians worship the same God. Their God rejected Issac and rejected Jacob.
Am I making sense here?
GEL

 

[J.A.I]

If the God that the Muslims serve was the same as our Christian GOD, then they'd acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God, but they only acknowledge Him as a mere prophet... so uh... they are different.

 

[GreenEyedLady]

If the God that the Muslims serve was the same as our Christian GOD, then they'd acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God, but they only acknowledge Him as a mere prophet... so uh... they are different.

Exactly,
The reason WHY they reject Christ? Because Christ came from the line of David, who was the King of Israel. They reject that Israel is the land of the Jews. They think it is their land which is why they have been fighting for decades over it. So there is NO possible way that OUR GOD, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob (Israel) (ALL HEBREWS/JEWS) is the same God as the muslism alla god.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

I see your points that they do not serve God in the true way, just as many Jews reject Jesus. But that does not mean He is a different God. They simply have a false gospel.

 

[brinley45cal]

Bells are one thing....chanting a prayer saying alla is the greatest is another.
If we cannot PRAY at a public school football game but THEY can blast this nonsense on a loud speaker. THAT IS NOT FAIR!!!!!!

I totaly agree with you.If me or you were to get on a loud speaker and start praying or tell people that its time to pray it would cause an unbelivable stink.
Lawsuits,jail,and who knows what else.Anymore you can have religious rights as long as your not a christian.

 

[brinley45cal]

If they want to call their believers to their religion publically, they can do so. If they weren't allowed to do so, would that not also make it unlawful to spread Christianity?

Anymore it is almost unlawful to spread christianity.If your any other religion its ok to do that stuff and talk about and promote your religion but when it comes to christianity then your violating everyone elses religious rights.

 

[seebs]

I disagree with you.
This informed Christian is lacking information. The GOD of Abraham is not OUR God.

Well, then we have a problem.

Jesus was a Jew.

He worshipped the God of Abraham.

If Jesus was wrong about God, doesn't Christianity have serious problems?

Because they do not believe that The God of Abraham is also the God of Issac and Jacob (Israel). They believe that the God of Abraham is the God of Ishmel.....and Muhammad. Right there is where the Christian becomes uninformed and lacks information THINKING that the Muslism and Christians worship the same God.

What do I care what mistakes they have in their claims about God? God is God. Abraham only made one covenant with any kind of divinity.

Their God rejected Issac and rejected Jacob.
Am I making sense here?
GEL

No.

 

[seebs]

Anymore it is almost unlawful to spread christianity.If your any other religion its ok to do that stuff and talk about and promote your religion but when it comes to christianity then your violating everyone elses religious rights.

This is simply not true. We are not a persecuted minority, at least in the U.S., nor anywhere near it. The stuff we aren't allowed to do is stuff that no one would be allowed to do. Christians regularly persecute other groups, denying them rights we take for granted.

There are problems, but this isn't one of them.

 

[GreenEyedLady]

Jesus was a Jew.

He worshipped the God of Abraham.

If Jesus was wrong about God, doesn't Christianity have serious problems?



No.

Please review the verses I posted on page one. Jesus did not worship the God of Abraham. Please provide scripture for that. The bible says Abraham, Issac, and Jacob(israel). Jesus came from the line of David, which was from Jacob (israel). He HAD to be from this line. Jesus was not wrong about God, he WAS God manifested in the flesh. Have you read up on this at all?
Just wondering because it seems like everyone else here is getting what I say but you are not understanding my point. How can I clarify for you?
GEL

 

[seebs]

If the God that the Muslims serve was the same as our Christian GOD, then they'd acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God, but they only acknowledge Him as a mere prophet... so uh... they are different.

Huh. So, the Jews, then... Different God too?

Doesn't that leave us with foundational problems?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Anymore it is almost unlawful to spread christianity.If your any other religion its ok to do that stuff and talk about and promote your religion but when it comes to christianity then your violating everyone elses religious rights.

I have not had that problem. In fact, I have seen people preach on public busses before. It is not against the law where I have been in the US, though there maybe a negative reaction is some areas.

 

[seebs]

Please review the verses I posted on page one. Jesus did not worship the God of Abraham. Please provide scripture for that.

WHAT OTHER GOD IS THERE?

Did someone else make that covenant with Abraham?

"Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One". Who do you think this refers to?

The bible says Abraham, Issac, and Jacob(israel). Jesus came from the line of David, which was from Jacob (israel). He HAD to be from this line. Jesus was not wrong about God, he WAS God manifested in the flesh. Have you read up on this at all?

Yes.

Just wondering because it seems like everyone else here is getting what I say but you are not understanding my point. How can I clarify for you?
GEL

I'm understanding. I just think you're wrong.

 

[GreenEyedLady]

This is simply not true. We are not a persecuted minority, at least in the U.S., nor anywhere near it. The stuff we aren't allowed to do is stuff that no one would be allowed to do. Christians regularly persecute other groups, denying them rights we take for granted.

There are problems, but this isn't one of them.

I also disagree with you on this one.
There are Christian symbols that are not allowed on some public buildings but other pagan symbols are allowed. Take for instance the holidays in the public schools. They have called them Winter holidays. However, they are still calling halloween the same holiday. Sending papers home with Ghosts and witches on it that are clearly pagan.
GEL

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

I also disagree with you on this one.
There are Christian symbols that are not allowed on some public buildings but other Jewish symbols are allowed. When the holidays are around, people put up a HUGE stink because of the nativity scenes, but if there is a manorah, or a jewish symbol it is over looked. We are becomming the minority here in the USA. Its not bad now, but it is getting there.
GEL

If you called them on it, they would legally have to remove them if a Christian scene or object were unlawful in that location as well.