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This is really making me angry!

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I apologize for suggesting that anyone should take lightly the decision of leaving the Catholic Church. I well understand its teachings regarding those who are not part of the Church, and do not counsel anyone to leave any Church body.

I hae only one nit to pick with your post. Promises a person makes to God are between that person and God.

In my first post I stated that no priest should be molesting children- not that the Church should be held to an even or less standard...

Secondly, you say Church communities, Jesus stated Church, period- not churches and the fact is that while the RCC embraces Christians of denominations if they encompass belief and practice in line with the teaching of the Church- the Church has a very very dim view of Catholics who have left the Church for one of them, wiping away all the promises they made to God as a member of the RCC. Now that may seem harsh, but what you stated almost seems to condone or take lightly leaving the Church on a Catholic site advocating an opinion that directly conflicts with the teaching of the Church.
 
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despite whatever perceived issues you may have with Church leadership, the issues involving non-clergy Catholics are about 10x greater and IMO I think the clergy has a greater right to be disappointed in the Catholic populaton then the other way around.

You are still missing the point.

What is this? Do as I say, not as I do?

These people have choosen to be LEADERS and set an example. Yes, they will screw up because they are human, but you excuse what they do because the liaty are a bunch of sinners?

I take it you're one of those people that don't think that priests or people in the church can do anything wrong? And even if they do, it is ok, they're a priest.
 
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dear mark,

sorry, i did not say it is a small number- i stated it mirrored society, seen the newspapers lately- even women, and a lot of them school teachers- are molesting kids these days- how about that female sunday school teacher that molested and murdered a little girl, huh ?

and here the protestant denoms have twice the molestation rate and we never hear about that now do we cause they dont have the money or centralized authority to do finger pointing.

the fact is i bet 1 in 50 school teachers probably are child molestors

did you even read my post, mark or do you just twist and turn things for your own liking ?

anyway mark, it is not your Church

what does the abuse that goes on in other sects have to do with the Church, right now... as we type here today, allowing bishops who covered up the crime of sexual molestation to be hidden out in the Vatican?
 
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i said it was okay ?

looks like you twist and turn things you read into your liking also because i never said that

the first thing you should do is apologize to the 98% of all priests who have nothing to do with any of this and actually do some research instead of listening to people tell you what to think of your Church- the fact is that while many offending priests did get moved around and stayed in the clergy- many were also prosecuted and arrested- and while many parents did not understand what was going on, many did and did nothing about it themselves and are just as accountable.

Like I said, stop painting with a broad brush because that just makes you a part of the problem yourself

how do you think it is i know the statisitics & facts and you don't ?

She, nor I am talking about the 2 % of preist and somehow you think becuase it's just 2%, it's okay.... what if it were 78% who molested kids, what then?

Anyway, it's the fact that fast forward 40 years the bishop have been rewarded for covering it up.

When it comes to this evil, I will not be the churches apologist... it's not up to me to defend any bishop who did evil.
 
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She, nor I am talking about the 2 % of preist and somehow you think becuase it's just 2%, it's okay.... what if it were 78% who molested kids, what then?

Anyway, it's the fact that fast forward 40 years the bishop have been rewarded for covering it up.

When it comes to this evil, I will not be the churches apologist... it's not up to me to defend any bishop who did evil.


How have Bishops been rewarded for their mistakes on this?

Jim
 
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They have cushy jobs in the Vatican. Look at Cardinal Law for crying out loud.

Cardinal Law was demoted from being bishop of an Archdioceses, to being put in charge of a shrine which is usually given to priest.

He's also placed under the watchful eye of his superior the Pope.

In a secular analogy, this is akin to a VP of an corporation, being brought to headquarters as a staff manager, with his office adjacent to the CEO's.

Jim
 
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I know we have a variety of threads about this, but I just saw another piece on the news about the abuse scandals and how this is "rocking" the Church in Europe.

And so what did the Cardinal do in Ireland? He apologized today.

Really? No, you should be in JAIL for conspiracy with the priests who did this. All of them should be in JAIL for what they've done -- not living cushy lives somewhere

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It makes it really hard to tell people about the church and convince them to either come to mass (or come back) when this type of stuff is going on.

It makes many here in Europe angry, especially so in Germany since the Pope hasn't even deemed it necessary to voice a statement regarding the cases in his own homeland!
 
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And Cardinal Law's assistant was given (made bishop of) the diocese of New Hampshire.


But Bishop McCormick hadn't done anything wrong, so I don't understand the rational here.

Jim
 
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Jim,

Bishop McCormack did nothing wrong? I diagree.

If folks are interested in his actions and inactions while acting as the cardinal's assistant, one need only google " Bishop McCormack actions in Boston"

mark

But Bishop McCormick hadn't done anything wrong, so I don't understand the rational here.

Jim
 
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I know we have a variety of threads about this, but I just saw another piece on the news about the abuse scandals and how this is "rocking" the Church in Europe.

And so what did the Cardinal do in Ireland? He apologized today.

Really? No, you should be in JAIL for conspiracy with the priests who did this. All of them should be in JAIL for what they've done -- not living cushy lives somewhere

:mad:

It makes it really hard to tell people about the church and convince them to either come to mass (or come back) when this type of stuff is going on.

I can forgive people while they're rotting in jail. I bet God can too. Personally, I would have an easier time forgiving guilty people who are rotting in jail than people who are guilty and not.
 
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I can forgive people while they're rotting in jail. I bet God can too. Personally, I would have an easier time forgiving guilty people who are rotting in jail than people who are guilty and not.

I guess I share your sentiment, but I don't know what you're getting at?
 
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Interesting article in light of this thread.


I’m not sure how to swallow this news bit from L’Osservatore Romano on Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, of the Apostolic Penitentiary. The bishop says, according to the CNS distillation:
(T)he confession (of a priest sex offender) can only have absolution as a consequence. It is not up to the confessor to make them public or to ask the penitent to incriminate himself in front of superiors. This is true because, on one hand, the sacramental seal remains inviolable and, on the other hand, one cannot provoke mistrust in the penitent. From the confessor, (the penitent) can only expect absolution, certainly not a sentence nor the order to confess his crime in public.
First, I understand that the nuance of an interview two times removed from the actual talk is sometimes difficult to discern.

That said, I don’t know that any reasonable person is demanding that sex offenders be outed by their confessors. Sure, a few politicians and activists: maybe. But cooler heads? No.

Yet, the traditional practice of the sacrament would have a confession, an act of satisfaction, and an absolution. I’m aware that the current practice reverses the order of the final two. Father Frank Pavone, in speaking of another grave sin, has some sound counsel that might apply:

Continued- http://catholicsensibility.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/how-to-absolve-a-priest-offender/
 
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I was and still am, most angry with the bishops who covered up the crimes. They did nothing for the victim nor their own priests who are sick. By reassigning the priests they enabled them to continue in their sin and provided more victims. This is not feeding their sheep or their lambs.

Peace and all good,
Nancy
 
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Cardinal Law was demoted from being bishop of an Archdioceses, to being put in charge of a shrine which is usually given to priest.

He's also placed under the watchful eye of his superior the Pope.

In a secular analogy, this is akin to a VP of an corporation, being brought to headquarters as a staff manager, with his office adjacent to the CEO's.

Jim

You know the fact is that some here are insinuating untruths here, Law is not 'hiding' or being shielded by anything.

They insinuate he is a fugitive- fact is that there are no criminal nor pending criminal charges against him- we have the parents of molested children who let the statute of limitations run out to thank for that one now dont we ?
 
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I was and still am, most angry with the bishops who covered up the crimes. They did nothing for the victim nor their own priests who are sick. By reassigning the priests they enabled them to continue in their sin and provided more victims. This is not feeding their sheep or their lambs.

Peace and all good,
Nancy

It's feeding on them instead...
 
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Cardinal Law was demoted from being bishop of an Archdioceses, to being put in charge of a shrine which is usually given to priest.

He's also placed under the watchful eye of his superior the Pope.

In a secular analogy, this is akin to a VP of an corporation, being brought to headquarters as a staff manager, with his office adjacent to the CEO's.

Jim

I'm sure he's just suffering so much... :rolleyes: and you have no idea why folks are angry, for real, you can not recognize the anger and why?

I'll give you a hint.... it due to the injustice of this situation- it's the injustice that cries to heaven for vengeance.
 
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