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Jim, he is wanted by a grand jury...


I don't believe this has any truth to it at all. Cardinal Law has been back to the US several times for conferences.
They would've arrested him if it were true.

But you're saying it, so please provide the proof that Cardinal Law is wanted by a grand jury.


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Jim, he is wanted by a grand jury...

Law already testified before a grand jury- when was that in 2002 ?

Anyway, he testified his policy on sexual abuse was one of delegation and he was not personally involved.

No he is not a fugitive even figuritively and is probably at best no more accountable then the law enforcement and legal system that referred the parents back to the diocese where they took 'shut up money' and made it possible for the few who abused children to abuse more...

Get over it.
 
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Both of y'all are not being honest with what went on... he testified and was incriminated beyond any words on what he allowed to go on.

but it was only becuase of loopholes with Mass. laws back then, why he wasn't indited.
It is not because he did nothing wrong...

He was highly responsible for the molestation of hundreds but there was nothing that could be done to him not becuase he was a innocent man but beacuse of gaps in the law.

I refuse to defend this man's actions in any kind of way and it boggles my mind how anyone can...

He wasn't found innocent, he was just outside of any legal action taken against him. The Church should not give him a safe haven, IMO.
 
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Both of y'all are not being honest with what went on... he testified and was incriminated beyond any words on what he allowed to go on.

but it was only becuase of loopholes with Mass. laws back then, why he wasn't indited.
It is not because he did nothing wrong...

Nothing close to the truth.


He was highly responsible for the molestation of hundreds but there was nothing that could be done to him not becuase he was a innocent man but beacuse of gaps in the law.

Actually there were only two cases that happened during his time in Boston. Father Geigan and Father Shanley. Gaigan was convicted of putting his hands on the buttocks of a boy, as he helped to push him up the ladder out of YMCA swimming pool. Gaigan was convicted and murdered in prison, when the guards purposely put a psychopath in his cell.

Father Shanley transferred to San Bernardino, and it was the glowing letter Cardinal Law wrote to the Bishop in San Bernardino, that ended up getting the Cardinal removed from his job and transferred to the Vatican.


I refuse to defend this man's actions in any kind of way and it boggles my mind how anyone can...

No one is asking you to defend his actions, just stop making things up.

He wasn't found innocent, he was just outside of any legal action taken against him. The Church should not give him a safe haven, IMO.


He didn't commit a crime. He managed the issue poorley, but most of his decisions where based on the expert advice given to him.

Did you know that the lawyer, who brought all the lawsuits against the Archdioceses, was the same lawyer who represented the victims when they first brought their cases to Cardinal Mederes? That same lawyer, fought to keep the cases quiet and out of the media, because he didn't want his client harmed by the stigma. 20 years later, he brings a lawsuit and goes to the media full boat.

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Jim, you are kidding, right?

It was a different preist who did that... and this preist had admitted already to raping a 29 year old man!

Cardinal Law shuffled him around and did not bother to let anyone know he was a rapist and that is when he touch the buttocks of a girl and lifted her up her skirt wen she was on a ladder... let me find the facts because you are way off base. and this wasn't no 40 years ago, it was in 94 or something.
 
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Jim, you are kidding, right?

It was a different preist who did that... and this preist had admitted already to raping a 29 year old man!

Cardinal Law shuffled him around and did not bother to let anyone know he was a rapist and that is when he touch the buttocks of a girl and lifted her up her skirt wen she was on a ladder... let me find the facts because you are way off base. and this wasn't no 40 years ago, it was in 94 or something.

The only priest convicted during Cardinal Laws term, was Fr Gaigan.

Fr Shanley was also convicted, but for crimes in San Bernadino.

Other priests who were convicted had already left the priesthood.

Others were accused and the dioceses settled the lawsuits, but they never went to criminal trials. Most of them, the statute of limitations had run out. This is a federal law, not Massachusetts.

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The only priest convicted during Cardinal Laws term, was Fr Gaigan.

Fr Shanley was also convicted, but for crimes in San Bernadino.

Other priests who were convicted had already left the priesthood.

Others were accused and the dioceses settled the lawsuits, but they never went to criminal trials. Most of them, the statute of limitations had run out. This is a federal law, not Massachusetts.

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So what..... they escape justice becuase of loopholes in the law, not becuase they were innocent and becuase bishops kept it all a secret for years and years... how is this right Jim??
 
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So what..... they escape justice becuase of loopholes in the law, not becuase they were innocent and becuase bishops kept it all a secret for years and years... how is this right Jim??

they escaped jusice because the parents/ familys did not pursue the matter
 
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Cardinal Law did not break any laws. The Attorney General of the Massachusetts investigated the Archdioceses and could not find any
criminal charges that could be brought against Cardinal Law or his office.

So when you accuse a person for committing a crime, especially the crime you're accusing him of, you better have something to back it up with, otherwise you're guilty of slander, which is a sin.

Jim

I am not talking about Cardinal Law try looking outside of the USA, he is just one man that illistrates the lack of action by the church against pedophile Priests. He is a tiny, unimportant part of this in the grand scale of abuse. He is accused of covering up sex abuse, which the Pope himself has condemned today. Cardinal Brady in Ireland is under pressure to resign due to because he protected a priest who carried out 90 sexual assaults. He had two teenager boys sign confidentiality clauses, while the priest was free to continue abusing. :sick:
The Pope himself failed to act adequately when he was Arch-Bishop in Munich, look up the news in Germany and Switzerland where hundreds are coming forward with claims of sexual abuse and rape by priests, today the Pope has had to apologise to the entire church in Ireland for the sexual abuse.
 
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So what..... they escape justice becuase of loopholes in the law, not becuase they were innocent and becuase bishops kept it all a secret for years and years... how is this right Jim??


Some of the settlements were because the accusations could not be defended against because the accused priest were dead.

All being said, Cardinal Law, although he mismanaged it, did not commit a crime, and he in fact is being punnished by his demotion.


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I am not talking about Cardinal Law try looking outside of the USA, he is just one man that illistrates the lack of action by the church against pedophile Priests. He is a tiny, unimportant part of this in the grand scale of abuse. He is accused of covering up sex abuse, which the Pope himself has condemned today. Cardinal Brady in Ireland is under pressure to resign due to because he protected a priest who carried out 90 sexual assaults. He had two teenager boys sign confidentiality clauses, while the priest was free to continue abusing. :sick:
The Pope himself failed to act adequately when he was Arch-Bishop in Munich, look up the news in Germany and Switzerland where hundreds are coming forward with claims of sexual abuse and rape by priests, today the Pope has had to apologise to the entire church in Ireland for the sexual abuse.

the familys took the money- so stop trying to say there was coercian involved- victims refused to testify or prosecute- the bishop has no legal authority, anything he repeat he heard is called hearsay

place the blame where it belongs- with the criminal/legal system and the victims who opted for money in the bank instead of criminal in the slammer
 
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I am not talking about Cardinal Law try looking outside of the USA, he is just one man that illistrates the lack of action by the church against pedophile Priests. He is a tiny, unimportant part of this in the grand scale of abuse. He is accused of covering up sex abuse, which the Pope himself has condemned today. Cardinal Brady in Ireland is under pressure to resign due to because he protected a priest who carried out 90 sexual assaults. He had two teenager boys sign confidentiality clauses, while the priest was free to continue abusing. :sick:
The Pope himself failed to act adequately when he was Arch-Bishop in Munich, look up the news in Germany and Switzerland where hundreds are coming forward with claims of sexual abuse and rape by priests, today the Pope has had to apologise to the entire church in Ireland for the sexual abuse.


Again, go back to how sex abuse cases were handled by the law 20-40 years ago. Don't try and judge how the Church handled these cases then, by today's standards.

In those days, rape and sexual abuse cases were kept silent, but recommendation of psychiatrist and especially the lawyers protecting the victims.

It wasn't just the Church that kept sex abuse quiet, secular institutions such as schools and boys and girls clubs did the same.

Was it wrong? Not necessarily. What was wrong was how society treated victims of rape and sex abuse.

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No! It was not 20 40 years ago but 13- 12 years ago!!

You need to read this becuase this is the incident you speak of... This bishops Hughes was assigned to Baton Rouge and then NO and recently retired... another one who did nothing.

17. TOHN PICARDI Father John Picardi was ordained as a priest of the Archdiocese of Bostonon June 11, 1983. See Picardi, John M. 1.0003. He was assigned to St. Ann'sParish in Gloucester and was there during the same time when FatherBirmingham (who had been molesting children in the RCAB for two decades)was elevated to pastor by Cardinal Law in 1986. See Picardi, John M. 1.0003;Birmingham 2.33.

In May of 1988, Cardinal Law reassigned Father Picardi to St.Michael's Parish in Bedford, Massachusetts. See Picardi, John M. 1.0022.140
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In February of 1992, Bishop McCormack reported to Cardinal Law that the pastor at St. Michael's had reported Father Picardi to be feisty, angry, argumentative, sad and troubled. See Picardi, John M. 1.0030.

Cardinal Law was informed by Bishop McCormack that, according to Monsignor Andrew Cusack, Father Picardi might be "acting out privately [or]...he is on the brink of doing so." See Picardi, John M. 1.0033-00-34.

Father Picardi was therefore placed on sick leave by Cardinal Law effective March 2,1992. See Picardi, John M. 1.0037

In March of 1992, it was reported to Bishop Alfred C. Hughes that duringa trip to Florida Father Picardi had raped a 29 year-old youth minister and that Father Picardi admitted to the rape. See Picardi, John M. 1.00343-50.

He was sent by the RCAB to a doctor who reported back to Bishop McCormack that Father Picardi had "sexual identity confusion" and had an "acute emotionalstress reaction." See Picardi, John M. 1.0069.

In an April 1992 memorandum, Bishop McCormack raised questions about whether Father Picardi's Florida victim was still "angry" and whether he was "in a litigious stance." See Picardi,John M. 1.0069.

Despite the doctor's assessment and despite the fact that Father Picardi had admitted to rape only one month earlier, Bishop McCormack wondered further whether an immediate assignment might not be appropriate. See Picardi, John M. 1.0069.

As he posited it in his memorandum: "would the archdiocese want Father Picardi to serve temporarily in a diocese such as Orlando or Venice, California?" See Picardi, John M. 1.0069.

In another memo-random written around the same time, Bishop Hughes (ACH) noted that Father Picardi's victim wanted to pursue charges against Father Picardi. See Picardi,John M. 1.0073.

The file of Father Picardi produced by the RCAB reveals nothing but concern that the matter could become public and create scandal; there is no evidence in the file that any member of the supervisory hierarchy considered reporting Father Picardi to the police or encouraging his victim to do so. See, e.g.Picardi, John M. 1.0069.

When the Florida victim approached Bishop Hughes to ask that Father Picardi be tested for AIDS, Bishop Hughes wrote that he wanted to "bring issues to a closure." See Picardi, John M. 1.0093.

Cardinal Law testifiedthat when he learned of the rape in 1995, "it did not enter his mind" that lawenforcement should be contacted. See Law Depo., February 3, 2003, p. 63-64.

Father Picardi was sent to the Institute of Living in Connecticut for anassessment in September 1992. See Picardi, John M. 1.0099. Bishop McCormack spoke with Father Picardi's doctors and noted that Father Picardi admitted to being the aggressor in the Florida incident and that the doctors believed that Father Picardi was "immature, impulsive [and] hedonistic." See Picardi, John M.1.0101.

Father Picardi's behavior did not prevent the RCAB from returning Father Picardi to ministry. In October 1992, Bishop McCormack noted that Cardinal Law agreed that Father Picardi could serve in priestly ministry in the Diocese of Paterson, New Jersey for a period of one year. See Picardi, John M. 1.0115.

On October 26, 1992, Cardinal Law wrote to Bishop Rodimer, of the Diocese of Patterson, indicating that he had given permission to have Father Picardi serve inthe Diocese of Patterson for one year. See Picardi, John M. 1.0135.

There is reference in that letter to certain conversations that Bishop McCormack had with a representative of the Patterson Diocese, but no mention of the rape. SeePicardi, John M. 1.0135.

Bishop McCormack disclosed only to the Diocese of Patterson that there was a "sexual incident with an adult in Florida". See Picardi,John M. 1.0115.

Dr. Ned Cassem served as the Chairman of the Psychiatry Department at Massachusetts General Hospital between 1988 and 2000. See Cassem Depo., May20, 2003 , p.8. The RCAB consulted with Dr. Cassem in the late 1980s and into the 1990s concerning priests who were accused of sexual misconduct with minors. See Cassem Depo., May 20, 2003, p. 16. Dr Cassem's opinion was sought by Bishop McCormack concerning Father Picardi in 1993 following the rape andduring the period when Picardi was serving in Patterson, see Picardi, John M.1.0168, but Dr. Cassem was never informed that Father Picardi had admitted to rape. See Cassem Depo., May 20, 2003, p. 187-188.143

On April 6, 1994, Bishop McCormack recommended to Cardinal Law that Father Picardi, an admitted rapist, be allowed to be incardinated into the Dioceseof Patterson. See Picardi, John M. 1.0202.

On June 6,1994, Cardinal Law granted a continued "lend lease" for Father Picardi to remain in the Patterson Diocese. See Picardi, John M. 1.0003 and 1.0213.

There was no explanation advanced as to why Father Picardi was suitable to serve in the Diocese of Patterson, but not the Archdiocese of Boston. See Picardi, John M. 1.0213.

Father Picardi's tenure in New Jersey was not a long one. In January of 1995, a fifth grade girl reported to the New Jersey Department of Youth and Family Services (DYFS) that she had been inappropriately touched by Father Picardi. See Picardi, John M. 1.0245-02-46.

On March 23, 1995 Father Flatley, the new delegate to the Cardinal on sexual abuse matters, advised Cardinal Law that the RCAB would be subject to "tremendous liability" if Father Picardi was found to be working around children. See Picardi, John M. 1.0246.

On March 29, 1995, Bishop Rodimer of the Diocese of Patterson, advised Cardinal Law that Picardi's decision to take a leave of absence was a "good one." See Picardi, John M.1.0247.

The New Jersey DYFS investigation of Father Picardi resulted in finding that sexual abuse was unsubstantiated with concerns. See Picardi, John M.1.0299-300. However, DYFS found that: The actions of Father Picardo (sic) were determined to be unjustified/inappropriate, placing [the victim] at some unnecessaryand undue risk of harm. Specifically, the credible evidence indicates Father Picardo (sic) placed his hand on [the victim's] buttocks area over her skirt for one or two seconds and then lifted the child's skirt below the level of her buttocks. See Picardi, John M. 1.0299 (emphasis added).

It was the position of DYFS that Father Picardi should "never be assigned by the Church to any position in the State of New Jersey where he would have any contact with children." SeePicardi, John M. 1.0284-285; 1.0307.

The need for this remedy was reaffirmed in the final DYFS report of June 6,1995 where Father Picardi's actions were deemed to be "non-accidental in nature." See Picardi, John M. 1.0307.

At his deposition, Cardinal Law testified that he understood that Father Picardi had been found to be guilty of unjustified and inappropriate actions that involved sexual misconduct with a minor. See Law Depo., February 3, 2003, p. 29.

On October 11, 1995, Cardinal Law wrote to Bishop Rodimer urging him not to conduct an investigation concerning Father Picardi. See Picardi, John M.1.0374

(the reasons for this request are unclear since Bishop Rodimer would have had access to first hand information regarding Father Picardi's actions in NewJersey.) However, in urging Bishop Rodimer not to conduct an investigation, Cardinal Law did not reveal in his letter that Father Richard Lennon, in response to Cardinal Law's request, had urged that Patterson not conduct an investigation because "opening such an investigation runs the real risk of negative fall-out for both Father Picardi and for the Church." See Picardi, John M. 1.0364(emphasis added); See Law Depo.,

February 3, 2003, p. 34. No mention was made by Cardinal Law of the needs of the victim or other possible but yet unidentified victims. See Picardi, John M. 1.0374.

In February of 1996, a chronology of the events concerning Father Picardi was prepared in anticipation of a possible canonical appeal by Father Picardi concerning restrictions on his ministry. See Picardi, John M. 1.0546-53.

On May31, 1996, Cardinal Law accepted the recommendations of the RCAB Review Board on Father Picardi. See Picardi, John M. 1.0475.

The Review Board found that there was reasonable probability that sexual misconduct with a minor had occurred and that Father Picardi should not return to parish ministry or ministry that involves minors. See Picardi, John M. 1.0478.

The Review Board also recommended that Father Picardi be encouraged to accept laicization. SeePicardi, John M. 1.0477.

In July of 1996, Father Picardi filed an appeal to Rome. See Picardi, John M. 1.0491.

By 1995, Cardinal Law clearly understood that Father Picardi had admitted to the 1992 rape. See Law Depo., February 3, 2003, p. 38.

Yet despite the admission of the rape and despite the fact that Father Picardi had been found to have endangered the welfare of a minor in the State of New Jersey, the Vatican plainly expressed a desire for the matter to be resolved by the RCAB with Father Picardi in lieu of the Vatican having to address Picardi's appeal. See Picardi,John M. 1.0604.

In a letter of January 28, 1997, Cardinal Castrillon, the Pro Prefect for the Congregation of the Clergy for the Vatican, made clear his sentiments when he sent Cardinal Law a letter in which he stated as follows: "Were Your Eminence to resolve this matter before this time with Father Picardi, we would be extremely happy to learn of this outcome." See Picardi,John M. 1.0604 (emphasis added).

Extensive documentation concerning both the rape and the molestation were prepared by the RCAB. See Picardi, John M.1.0586-0592.

Upon receipt of the Vatican letter, events moved quickly to reinstate Father Picardi. On April 8, 1997, Father Murphy reported to Cardinal Law that the Review Board, which had been so unequivocal in its ruling a year earlier, voted to rescind its finding and now found that there was inadequate evidence to find sexual misconduct with a minor. See Picardi, John M. 1.0649.

The rape that had been admitted by Father Picardi in 1992 was not referenced by the ReviewBoard. See Picardi, John M. 1.0646.

Instead, Father Picardi was moved to serve as a parish priest in the Diocese of Phoenix. In a letter to Bishop O'Brien of thatDiocese on April 24, 1997, which was sent in support of Father Picardi's desire torelocate to Phoenix, Cardinal Law euphemistically stated that Father Picardi hadbeen involved in "an incident of homosexual behavior" and that there had been an allegation that Father Picardi had brushed up against a girl while they wereboth part of a moving crowd and that the state authorities had stated that "it wasimpossible to say if the event constituted sexual abuse." See Picardi, John M.1.0656-57.

The admission of a rape was not set forth in the letter and the details of the New Jersey incident were minimized and described in a way that de-emphasized their significance (for example, no reference was made to the finding of sexual contact or the fact that Father Picardi was not allowed to have contactwith minors). See Picardi, John M. 1.0656-57

Cardinal Law provided the following testimony when asked why he described the admitted rape to Bishop O'Brien as a "incident of homosexual behavior: "Question: Does the term "homosexual behavior," as you include it in your letter of April 24, 1997, to the Bishop of Phoenix, encompassnon consensual rape of another person? Answer: In this instance, it's a generic term which becomes morespecific with the second sentence. Question: All right. So does "homosexual behavior" encompassrape, Cardinal Law, as you understood that term in 1997, used it? Answer: You know, that's a question that I've never really thought of before and I don't know that have a - -Question: Can't answer it? Answer: Yeah.


See Law Depo., February 3, 2003, p. 76-77. Father Picardi was accepted into the Diocese of Phoenix as a priest. See Picardi, John M. 1.0674-1.0675.18.

Now seriouly... this is just one preist and there were tons, not just two... please... and you tell me, I'm making up stuff??
 
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they escaped jusice because the parents/ familys did not pursue the matter

You are so incredibly wrong. The facts speak for themselves. Laws own words speak for itself.

Law knew he had rapist and child molesters on his hands and he DID NOTHING but tell lies and keep the truth from ever seeing day light...
 
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Sorry Jim but you post makes me sick to the stomach.
BARFRIEND is blaming the parents for receiving payouts, do you know that most women don't even bother to report rape because they conviction rate is so incredibily low and conviction of child sex abuse is extremely difficult to convict and extremely traumatic. If any parent can get justice without putting their child on the stand, where they will be accused of lying and blamed, would be tempted.
If a mother allowed her child to be continually raped by their father and did nothing, said don't talk about it because nobody would believe them, they would be guilty of abuse, neglect and utter failure to protect. She would go to prison too.
I suspect many of the priests that abused children were themselves abused, it doesn't come from nowhere that sickness.
Am I supposed to say it's okay they were just supremely stupid and ignorant and it is okay that Cardinal Brady's blind eye to the now infamous Fr Brendan Smyth allowed him to abuse children with impunity. The Cardinal witnessed teenage boys signing the confidentiality clauses. Boys who had been abused. It is one thing to to justify keeping quiet but to allow the abuse to continue and say he just needs prayer, is utterly irresponsible. 40 children were abused because of the failure to act. 40 lives ruined. And he denies a cover up. The church in Ireland is in total crisis, confidence and trust is utterly broken. It isn't just the sexual abuse, it is the institutions were children were taken too and were subjected to physical, mental and sexual abuse by nuns and priests. I know secular children's homes were magnets for pedophiles too how ever they don't claim to follow the teaching of Jesus.
How many of those victims are able to lead productive lives? How many have been driven to suicide, drink or drug abuse?
Though maybe some small justice was handed out when Cardinal Brady had to read out the letter from The Pope utterly condemning the failure to take action and protect.
The Pope hasn't even begun to address the wide spread abuse in Germany, his own
country yet, it is a powder keg.


I am not against the Church in anyway, I trust my Priests, I know these priests are as revolted as I am and want prosecutions. They have made sure that the phone number of the local authorities are accessable, should anyone have any complaint of sexual abuse. Parents are involved with all children's events, there is no event other than confession where a priest is alone with a child here. When they go to confession they are accompanied to the church by an parent. My church has a policy of accountability and is a place that children like to come too and has a big youth group.
 
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