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Conservativation

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There is not a gap where men are not ministering to men. Not even close. Men hold men to account one to one, men dont say "follow your heart sweety I will support you"
one on one. Men excoriate other men who cheat or beat or substance abuse and will not own it. When they own it, then men hold them to owning it. Maybe mens lack of as much empathy helps, because empathy makes people go "hmmm, I can see why they are doing that so Id better not be too hard on them"

Im not sure why womens (yours here) objections so often use self as data to posit. Is is, and Im asking, is it a bit narcissistic to respond to almost any issue with "I" data?
Or worse to have that as the basis for even seeing truth or its lack in something?

The thread you say to start shows that you miss the larger point and Im sorry Im not better at making it.
 
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missing the point
 
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Right. and as far as I can tell, no one has responded to my assertion that their logic is flawed because we could read about Jesus Christ, and focus on His attributes, and see a man who sets the bar high.

A person can see that, and be inspired by it, or they can see it and wish others were inspired by it, without applying it to themselves. That doesn't mean that Christ is bad, but the state of one's heart is the issues there.

On the other hand, porn is never good. It isn;t some good thing, that some watchers turn into a bad thing. And any lust is bad, not just gluttonous lust.
 
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You will see more clearly the moment you can stop seeing everything through a lens of male or female. If we are to have the mind of Christ, we will see the same way that we are IN Christ.

Galatians 3:26-29

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Or is this passage only referring to men since it refers to sons?
 
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It's not about woman's ministering to men. It's women who think that their sin don't stink and the perpetual need for them to rub men/their husbands sins in what they see as "divorcable" sin. They want to call one PORN and the other, cuddly, bunny, GODLY romance (cue the tears and tissue). Meanwhile, back at home they are using "tools" that are the equivalent to neutron bombs (that is that mens sin will cause a divorce or sexual reciprocity) to turn their husbands into their romantic "dreams". I don't need to draw many men a road map. To even suggest that this is going on is to draw the ire of every women who has a compulsion with their husbands sexual/spiritual well being while having next to zero interest in acting like Godly wives and protecting him from temptation (by having actual sex with him). Somehow they have twisted the scriptures to transform their role as "PASTOR TO ALL MEN" while ignoring their clear ministry to their husbands. They want to make sure they are romanced before doing it, that hubby is squeaky clean, in short they MUST beat submission from their men with the only tool they apparently have left.

Evidence? Lets see, how about when they role into a thread discussing a movie very clearly aimed at men and insist that it is a useful movie for men to watch. How abouts I start picking movies for women? What motivates a woman to come into this thread and argue with men about the spiritual value of a movie clearly aimed at men? What is their dog in this fight? I can see only one, domination. They are right and will confront anyone with another opinion anywhere until the cows are dead and in the ground. They are here to extend and confirm their rectitude.

When asked what THEY personally got out of this movie, how it made them a better Christian they dodge. Why not go and talk about something that actually applies to you then? I've seen enough to know the futility of actually engaging certain ones here, that doesn't mean I will not keep posting however. While all of this sounds harsh I've seen a few throw out the red herring of Caleb's mother "doing" the Love Dare (see it applies to women too) while never remotely dreaming that they would actually do it with their husband. He's ungodly, he's the "leader", he needs to do it with me (or I'll leave), I'll get him the book. Here hubby, here's a sermon YOU should listen to.
 
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So what did you get out of the film? How did it make you a better wife to your husband? Did it convince you to submit your whole life to your husband the way Caleb did to his ungodly wife?


 
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This site really helped me while I was struggling with the frequency/interest issue. It really opened my eyes on a lot of what was going on in my heart. I would recommend read the articles on lust and sex here far ahead of watching "Fireproof".

A search index of inspirational biblical teaching, help and encouragement for born again Christians: Theologically sound spiritual resources exalting the Lord Jesus Christ

Specifically, here is a good place to start:

http://www.net-burst.net/help/problems.htm
 
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Or, "dear, Jill told me her husband listened to such and such or read this and he was *blessed* (code) by it"
 
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There is not a gap where men are not ministering to men. Not even close. Men hold men to account one to one, men dont say "follow your heart sweety I will support you"
What is your evidence that women say that to each other? Other than your opinion of women?

one on one. Men excoriate other men who cheat or beat or substance abuse and will not own it. When they own it, then men hold them to owning it.
When and where? Never seen it IRL. If it was true, there would be no porn users or abusers in the church.

Maybe mens lack of as much empathy helps, because empathy makes people go "hmmm, I can see why they are doing that so Id better not be too hard on them"
Actually, that would be mercy and understanding that we all sin.

Im not sure why womens (yours here) objections so often use self as data to posit. Is is, and Im asking, is it a bit narcissistic to respond to almost any issue with "I" data?
My husband was/is addicted to porn. Of course I'm going to use that as an example when discussing men and porn use. I have also, believe it or not, read lots of posts made here by former porn users. I never saw you call them narcissistic. Oh but then they're men.

Or worse to have that as the basis for even seeing truth or its lack in something?
You made a statement that was incorrect. I showed you HOW it's incorrect according to evidence given by men themselves, and you call it not seeing truth. LOL. Okay .. that's kind of why it's pointless posting to the men here who are utterly hostile.

The thread you say to start shows that you miss the larger point and Im sorry Im not better at making it.
You specifically said ".. where is this type of female self condemnation and redemption thread .." So, I said okay, I'll make one. Then you say I missed the point. I am just literally LOLing at that.
 
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"Originally Posted by Conservativation
There is not a gap where men are not ministering to men. Not even close. Men hold men to account one to one, men dont say "follow your heart sweety I will support you"
What is your evidence that women say that to each other? Other than your opinion of women?
one on one. Men excoriate other men who cheat or beat or substance abuse and will not own it. When they own it, then men hold them to owning it.
When and where? Never seen it IRL. If it was true, there would be no porn users or abusers in the church."

That right there is all the evidence I need. When I have this discussion with men women are never remotely in ear shot. The shame is so great and the fear that men have that their women would feel unloved if their struggle was ever fully known to them they usually have a hard time even bringing the subject up to a brother that they can trust.

The fact that there are "porn users" in the church is very encouraging to me, they might be able to get some help there (if they manage to keep away from the Jezebel faction). I think some people need to do some remedial Romans 7 reading (and read Romans 8 for the answer):

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
(Rom 7:1-25)


I know, I know! My wife withdrawing from me sexually will fix me!


 
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Funny you ask for evidence, I even have written evidence of it in the form of cards and letters, not just hearing it, a lot. I refuse to believe its not ubiquitous, maybe not using those exact words, but I just will not believe its not the default state of most accountability in women's groups.....EXCEPT....being held accountable to having low self esteem, failing to forgive self, trusting God, things like that.

Its so ubiquitous it seems like it isnt there, back to the thing where the fish is saying "water, what water?"
 
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You have cards and letters - I have personal experience of women holding me to account. No, we don't excoriate each other, although it's interesting that a few pages ago I stated that women communicate differently, and was told that I'm trying to make it sound like women are better than men. But here you are saying that women do communicate differently, but it's actually bad, and men communicate differently (and better). Laughing again. You guys kill me.
 
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Honestly I don't think this thread should continue for one more post until at least 3 women directly answer the below question.

Their failure to answer said question proves the entire point of the thread.

So what did you get out of the film? How did it make you a better wife to your husband? Did it convince you to submit your whole life to your husband the way Caleb did to his ungodly wife?
 
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I agree Luther. Men have been rerererererererererererere self examining and rererererere doubling our commitments for decades, and rerererererererere hearing this "messages of inspiration" to do those things, and weeping and gnashing and nodding and laughing and recommending programs to one another, and trying to out-man each other as to who can self efface the biggest and best when supplicating to movies and ministries etc such as this.

I'd like that answer too.
 
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You make so many assumptions of us without asking questions. Romans already told you she got the book for herself. Guess what; after I watched that movie with my h, I got it too, and went through it, without telling him. *rolls eyes* That must shock you since we're women and are therefore apparently preachy at our husbands while doing nothing to benefit our marriages.
 
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No no . . . lets put this back on topic. . .

Please answer this question. . . At this point nothing else but a direct answer to this question is of any use to this discussion.

So what did you get out of the film? How did it make you a better wife to your husband? Did it convince you to submit your whole life to your husband the way Caleb did to his ungodly wife?

 
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Honestly I don't think this thread should continue for one more post until at least 3 women directly answer the below question.

Their failure to answer said question proves the entire point of the thread.

Honestly I think it's incredibly rude and presumptuous to put your hands on your hips online-style and DEMAND for 3 women to answer a question before we're allowed to say anything else. Good grief. It's like you guys are just drooooling for PROOF that we are as horrible as you think!

I am not going to share my answers to those questions with an audience the likes of this one. Makes me think of the verse warning us not to throw our pearls to pigs. My thoughts, feelings and experiences regarding my marriage and spiritual life are not things I care to throw in THIS thread for people to trounce all over just to prove their point about women being one way and men being another. Assume what you want of me and ALL wives and women all you like; I doubt my personal testimony is going to change the harsh stereotypes I'm seeing here. I'm not going to play the game and be jerked around, doing what you demand like a marionette desperate to prove to a group of angry men that I am a good woman and a good wife according to THEIR standards. *vomit*

This thread IS making me incredibly grateful for my wonderful, sensitive, respectful, intelligent and humble husband!!!
 
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