"This is demonic"

[Jermayn]

I would have to agree with Collin Rugg on the 210 members of congress who voted to deny medical care to victims of abortion who survive. How utterly depraved has the U.S. become that nearly half of the people in charge of our government are in favor of watching a living, breathing human baby, made in God's own image, lay on a cold steel table, suffer, and die. It's even celebrated afterwards! Many are proud that this is what we have come too! Help me make sense of it, if there is any sense to be made! Is this what we call "progress" in modern America?

 

[chevyontheriver]

I would have to agree with Collin Rugg on the 210 members of congress who voted to deny medical care to victims of abortion who survive. How utterly depraved has the U.S. become that nearly half of the people in charge of our government are in favor of watching a living, breathing human baby, made in God's own image, lay on a cold steel table, suffer, and die. It's even celebrated afterwards! Many are proud that this is what we have come too! Help me make sense of it, if there is any sense to be made! Is this what we call "progress" in modern America?

You have made sense of it. It is demonic.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

It is just evidence of a culture that has forsaken God and righteousness. Natural affection alone and respect for life would seem to guide even the non-religious. As an older citizen, I pray this mindset does not extend to the elderly who are surely useless eaters in their own right.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I would have to agree with Collin Rugg on the 210 members of congress who voted to deny medical care to victims of abortion who survive. How utterly depraved has the U.S. become that nearly half of the people in charge of our government are in favor of watching a living, breathing human baby, made in God's own image, lay on a cold steel table, suffer, and die. It's even celebrated afterwards! Many are proud that this is what we have come too! Help me make sense of it, if there is any sense to be made! Is this what we call "progress" in modern America?

I had to fact check this. There is already a law in place since 2002 making it illegal not to give life support .

The Facts on the Born-Alive Debate - FactCheck.org

Republicans and Democrats traded accusations on the topic of abortion after a “born-alive” bill failed in the Senate. Democrats say the legislation was unnecessary and aimed at restricting access to legal abortion, while Republicans say it was about protecting babies. We’ll go through what the...

www.factcheck.org

 

[spiritfilledjm]

I would have to agree with Collin Rugg on the 210 members of congress who voted to deny medical care to victims of abortion who survive. How utterly depraved has the U.S. become that nearly half of the people in charge of our government are in favor of watching a living, breathing human baby, made in God's own image, lay on a cold steel table, suffer, and die. It's even celebrated afterwards! Many are proud that this is what we have come too! Help me make sense of it, if there is any sense to be made! Is this what we call "progress" in modern America?

All the more reason to look forward to Judgment Day. Honestly, I can't wait to watch these monsters burn. I mean, if they repent, great, but if they don't, their screams from the depths of Hell will be music to my ears.

 

[Lost Witness]

the United States Is Mystery Babylon

 

[Jermayn]

I had to fact check this. There is already a law in place since 2002 making it illegal not to give life support .

The Facts on the Born-Alive Debate - FactCheck.org

Republicans and Democrats traded accusations on the topic of abortion after a “born-alive” bill failed in the Senate. Democrats say the legislation was unnecessary and aimed at restricting access to legal abortion, while Republicans say it was about protecting babies. We’ll go through what the...

www.factcheck.org

Your fact check clearly states that there is no FEDERAL law requiring medical intervention for a baby that's born alive during an abortion procedure. States can and do prosecute people for letting them die, but you know as well as I that blue states will eventually allow abortion up to 5 years of age if we let them, so that protection is limited to only half of the U.S. It also forces abortion doctors to actually attempt to save the life of the child, rather than just "providing comfort care until the child dies" and calling it a day.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The problem with so-called, "Born Alive Acts," is that the fetus sometimes moves
after the mother was induced to extract it for medical reasons. The mother seeing
the fetus move, could think it was alive and the doctor did nothing to save it's life.
It doesn't mean the fetus was alive, nor that it could survive as it would be too young.
to survive birth itself, never mind outside of the womb. The purpose for such a
termination of the pregnancy is that the fetus was not developing properly and was
so deformed, that it had to be removed from the mother in order that it would not
threaten the mother's life. Carrying a dead fetus is dangerous for the mother.

The bottom line is, such abortions, which are indirect, should be left up to the doctor
and mother.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Your fact check clearly states that there is no FEDERAL law requiring medical intervention for a baby that's born alive during an abortion procedure. States can and do prosecute people for letting them die, but you know as well as I that blue states will eventually allow abortion up to 5 years of age if we let them, so that protection is limited to only half of the U.S. It also forces abortion doctors to actually attempt to save the life of the child, rather than just "providing comfort care until the child dies" and calling it a day.

Babies born before 21 weeks can not be saved and doctors will not try heroic measures only to have the baby die anyway.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Your fact check clearly states that there is no FEDERAL law requiring medical intervention for a baby that's born alive during an abortion procedure. States can and do prosecute people for letting them die, but you know as well as I that blue states will eventually allow abortion up to 5 years of age if we let them, so that protection is limited to only half of the U.S. It also forces abortion doctors to actually attempt to save the life of the child, rather than just "providing comfort care until the child dies" and calling it a day.

I'm trying to find some research on how a baby can be born alive during an abortion. So far it is considered malpractice. Nevertheless a disgusting situation as they kill them in the womb before they perform the procedure. Awful. That sounds like murder.

 

[Tuur]

It turns out there's an organization called the Abortion Survivors Network. It's a support group for those who survived abortion attempts. So yes, depending on the procedure, it can happen.

It also turns out that every single Democrat in the house voted against the Born Alive bill. Make of that what you will.

 

[Isilwen]

but you know as well as I that blue states will eventually allow abortion up to 5 years of age if we let them

The hyperbole is strong with this sentence.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I'm trying to find some research on how a baby can be born alive during an abortion. So far it is considered malpractice. Nevertheless a disgusting situation as they kill them in the womb before they perform the procedure. Awful. That sounds like murder.

Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, for whatever reason. Even a miscarriage is an abortion.

Inducing labor to deliver the fetus before it could survive outside the womb, is an
indirect abortion and mostly performed to save the life of the mother.

A direct abortion is when the abortionists directly kills the fetus inside the mother's
womb and then dissects the body and removes each part separately.

The former is licit in mainstream religions, although the Catholic Church may
not see this as such and hasn't in the past. Only ectopic pregnancies may
licitly be terminated according to Catholic doctrine.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Your fact check clearly states that there is no FEDERAL law requiring medical intervention for a baby that's born alive during an abortion procedure. States can and do prosecute people for letting them die, but you know as well as I that blue states will eventually allow abortion up to 5 years of age if we let them, so that protection is limited to only half of the U.S. It also forces abortion doctors to actually attempt to save the life of the child, rather than just "providing comfort care until the child dies" and calling it a day.

"I that blue states will eventually allow abortion up to 5 years of age if we let them, " - that is a flat out lie. "abortion" only happens when a embryo or fetus is removed from the womb. Once the child is out of the womb, there cannot be an abortion.
You would do better to stay within truth and not make up stuff. Doing that makes your arguments just a rant, and not credible.

 

[RileyG]

I would have to agree with Collin Rugg on the 210 members of congress who voted to deny medical care to victims of abortion who survive. How utterly depraved has the U.S. become that nearly half of the people in charge of our government are in favor of watching a living, breathing human baby, made in God's own image, lay on a cold steel table, suffer, and die. It's even celebrated afterwards! Many are proud that this is what we have come too! Help me make sense of it, if there is any sense to be made! Is this what we call "progress" in modern America?

It's senseless. How abortion ever became legal or celebrated is beyond me. I can never wrap my head around it no matter how hard I try. Lord, have mercy.

 

[RileyG]

the United States Is Mystery Babylon

God must be infinitely merciful. I am convinced of that. I'm still surprised he hasn't wiped us out yet. ugh.

 

[Jermayn]

"I that blue states will eventually allow abortion up to 5 years of age if we let them, " - that is a flat out lie. "abortion" only happens when a embryo or fetus is removed from the womb. Once the child is out of the womb, there cannot be an abortion.
You would do better to stay within truth and not make up stuff. Doing that makes your arguments just a rant, and not credible.

So you agree that neglecting medical care to abortion survivors is murder?

 

[FreeinChrist]

So you agree that neglecting medical care to abortion survivors is murder?

So you agree that abortion does not occur after birth?

 

[FreeinChrist]

So you agree that neglecting medical care to abortion survivors is murder?

To add some facts to the thread:

The Facts on the Born-Alive Debate - FactCheck.org

Republicans and Democrats traded accusations on the topic of abortion after a “born-alive” bill failed in the Senate. Democrats say the legislation was unnecessary and aimed at restricting access to legal abortion, while Republicans say it was about protecting babies. We’ll go through what the...

www.factcheck.org

Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine argued that the bill was unnecessary, as a 2002 born-alive bill had “reaffirmed” that “infanticide is already illegal in every state.” Kaine said in a statement: “I support that law, which is still in effect. There is no need for additional federal legislation on this topic. “​

In 2002, the “Born-Alive Infants Protection Act” easily passed Congress — through a voice vote in the House and unanimous consent in the Senate. It became law on Aug. 5, 2002. It defined a “person” (or “human being,” “child” and “individual”) for the purposes of any act of Congress or any agency ruling/regulation as “every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.“​

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The act went on to define “born alive” as: “the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.”​

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Are either of these laws necessary to prosecute the intentional killing of a baby as a homicide?​

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No. Killing a baby is a homicide. “States can and do punish people for killing children who are born alive,” Mary Ziegler, a professor at Florida State University’s College of Law and the author of two books on the abortion debate, told us in a phone interview. “Most criminal laws are at the state level not the federal level.”​

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It is silly to claim that blue states would allow abortion until the age of 5 if they could, as you stated, as :
1. there is no abortion after birth and
2. There already is a federal law from 2002 affirming that infanticide of a child who is born alive is a crime.

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[iluvatar5150]

God forbid the “pro-life” politicians do something that actually reduces abortions instead of pandering to a bunch of constituents who don’t know any better and who can’t be bothered to read beyond a headline.

The act went on to define “born alive” as: “the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.”

That’s a pretty lousy definition of “alive.”