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Like most of you guys, I often discuss Christianity with non-believers. In order to do that, I read authors like Richard Dawkins (or more intelligent atheists) to understand where they are coming from. What I encounter most often is sheer ignorance. Jesus rightly calls Satan a father of liars. Today I watched a video on comparisons between Jesus and an Egyptian god called Horus which was complete lies and without any sources, and yet people on a debate website I frequent took it at face value.

Dawkins, of course, tells the most atrocious lies in the book 'The God Delusion'. I read his chapter on the infallibility and I was literally refuting every line, and his claim (without any evidence or sources whatsoever) that Nazi Germany was a Christian regime was outright rubbish. I then watched a video this evening called 'The Nightmare Years' which completely debunked his nonsense (it was about a Western journalist who witnessed the arrests of Christian pastors in Nazi Germany.)

The thing is, people aren't interested in the truth. Dawkins and the like say what they want to hear, and they don't question what he says. The myth that Hitler was a Christian is becoming more and more common when it is a *lie.* This hurts me so much, because the truth is staring them in the face, but they live in ignorance.

What can we do in the face of this wall of enemy propaganda?
 

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Like most of you guys, I often discuss Christianity with non-believers. In order to do that, I read authors like Richard Dawkins (or more intelligent atheists) to understand where they are coming from. What I encounter most often is sheer ignorance. Jesus rightly calls Satan a father of liars. Today I watched a video on comparisons between Jesus and an Egyptian god called Horus which was complete lies and without any sources, and yet people on a debate website I frequent took it at face value.

Dawkins, of course, tells the most atrocious lies in the book 'The God Delusion'. I read his chapter on the infallibility and I was literally refuting every line, and his claim (without any evidence or sources whatsoever) that Nazi Germany was a Christian regime was outright rubbish. I then watched a video this evening called 'The Nightmare Years' which completely debunked his nonsense (it was about a Western journalist who witnessed the arrests of Christian pastors in Nazi Germany.)

The thing is, people aren't interested in the truth. Dawkins and the like say what they want to hear, and they don't question what he says. The myth that Hitler was a Christian is becoming more and more common when it is a *lie.* This hurts me so much, because the truth is staring them in the face, but they live in ignorance.

What can we do in the face of this wall of enemy propaganda?
Don't allow it to hurt. Just pray in love.
 
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Don't allow it to hurt. Just pray in love.
'Amen to that.

I read things Daily and see things all the time that Can Hurt if I allow it.

Instead, I choose to Love, because I think Jesus would have done that.

If someone does nto want that, I shake the dust off my feet and move on. Life is too short to waste on those who live a life of Anger and Pain and are not really ready for an escape from it.
 
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Well militant opposition is a feature of the new atheism. If you think of The God Delusion as a serious attempt by an atheist to convert Christians to atheism, then...you might feel sorry for how badly it misses the mark. There are many well meaning atheists who are embarrassed by his book for the reasons you mention. And they rightly fear that the book (and similar ones) will ultimately do more harm to atheism than good.

Answering the New Atheism: Dismantling Dawkins' Case Against God by Hahn and Wiker

and The Dawkins Delusion by MacGrath


LDG
 
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Jesus Is Lord. Rickardo Is A False Cristian If He Cannot Say It One Time At Least. And If He Does Say It Hes Got To Be The Most Loveless Ignorant Christian I Ever Met. He Mocks Our Lord And You Allow Him. And If He Wont SAY It Just Because I Ask Him. He Has Absolutely No Love At All Or The Lord Who Gives It. No Believer Should Ever, Ever Be Ashamed Of Our Saviors Name. Throw This Liar Out. Where Is Your Love Rickardoholmes? You Sir Are Indeed The Biggest Liar Here. Open Your Eyes People. Tell Him To Go Into The Non Christian Forums If He Cannot Show A Little Love In Just Saying Jesus Is Lord. Are You People Also Ashamed Of Our Lord? He Will Be Ashamed Of You Also. Jesus Is The Way. Not This Mans Hate And Ignorance. How Much More Clear Can It Be To You People? You Judge Me A Real Brother And Let This Devil Accuse Me? Wow You Bunch Of Hypocrites. No Christian, Should Ever, Not Be Able To Say Jesus Is Lord. Show Me How Mature You Are Rickardo, Mr Deep Spiritualism, Be The Bigger Man, Say Jesus Is Lord Or You Are A False Christin, Its As Plain As The Pipe Sticking Out Of His Mouth, He's False If He Cant Say. Have You People Ever Even Read The Bible? Huh? Wow. Talk About Being Blinded, This Man Mocks Our God And You Let Him


Show Me How Mature You Are Ricardo And Show A Little Love Instead Of All That Ignorance. Show Some Love And Just Say It. You Judge Me A Real Brother And Let This Man A False Brother Judge Me And It Makes God Out To Be A Liar. Shame On You All. This Is A Christian Only Forum. Would You Allow A Man Who Couldn't Say Jesus Is Lord to Speak in your Silly Precious Church Building? I Say Jesus Is Lord And Any Who Cant Is False. Its Just That Simple. If You Allow This Ridiculous Thing To Go On, It Mocks Our God. Show Some Love For Crying Out Loud, If Not To Me At Least Respect The Word Of God. Wow Such Ignorance. You Think You"re Spiritual? You Don't Have Any Love If You Allow This To Go On. Show Some Love Already. If He Is A Real Christian Then He Allows Me To Sin. No Love At All. Not Spiritual At All, Just A Liar. Can I Get Some Love Already??? Shall I Keep Accusing This Man Or Should He Just Say Yes Brother Jesus Is Lord? Shame On You For Your Total Ignorance Of The Word.
 
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RICKARDOHOLMES has no love and mocks God. He disrespects our Lord. If He is so spiritual and mature, why allow this to continue? 3 words could of ended it. JESUS is LORD. 3 simple words. Look at the judging going on here. Allot of sin going on, all this SPIRITUAL man needs to do is say 3 simple words. The bible warns of this. Am I wrong? If i don't show love, where is his?
 
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ACTUALLY IT IS A LITTLE MORE THAN 3 WORDS BUT THATS ALL I ASKED. If I sin, why not stop it? Why Mock God? Why not help me if I'm the weak Christian and just say it? It would end the argument wouldn't it? He Judges me, he makes me look bad, thats not love, all I'm doing is heeding the warning concerning false Christians, whats he doing? Judging me and mocking God?
 
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My concern is only this: If he is false he will spread this into the Church from here. Besides that, church is not just a building, its where two or more are gathered in Jesus name, no other name, Jesus name. If he will say it i will apologize and accept humility. I will without hesitation for his sake and that of the Lord. I believe the word and believe this is a Total mockery. Just say it and I'll stop and apologize. Please, its that easy, i will do anything, i will Be a fool for God, but i wont allow His word to become a lie in a CHRISTIAN ONLY FORUM
 
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You are right. There is a better way. I will try it. I take the Bible very seriously. I don't put myself above it either. Is anyone even helping him? We all need help from oneanother. I once could not speak his name eaisily also. Maybe its only that.
 
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I want to love Him so bad, i want to admit I'm wrong so bad. I want to be the one who is wrong here i really do. I would love to say I'm wrong. I hope i can. In our Lords name i pray that I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time, wont be the last that im wrong.
 
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If the offense is mine show me and I'll humbly admit my mistake. Just show me I'm wrong, please

Just say those 3 words and that will be enough to show me i was wrong. Please brother, i don't wish to offend you, i want to be wrong. Its not that hard to say those words for a true believer, and it wont be hard for me to admit a mistake either. I will love to admit it. Please brother help me out.
 
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Like most of you guys, I often discuss Christianity with non-believers. In order to do that, I read authors like Richard Dawkins (or more intelligent atheists) to understand where they are coming from. What I encounter most often is sheer ignorance. Jesus rightly calls Satan a father of liars. Today I watched a video on comparisons between Jesus and an Egyptian god called Horus which was complete lies and without any sources, and yet people on a debate website I frequent took it at face value.

Dawkins, of course, tells the most atrocious lies in the book 'The God Delusion'. I read his chapter on the infallibility and I was literally refuting every line, and his claim (without any evidence or sources whatsoever) that Nazi Germany was a Christian regime was outright rubbish. I then watched a video this evening called 'The Nightmare Years' which completely debunked his nonsense (it was about a Western journalist who witnessed the arrests of Christian pastors in Nazi Germany.)

The thing is, people aren't interested in the truth. Dawkins and the like say what they want to hear, and they don't question what he says. The myth that Hitler was a Christian is becoming more and more common when it is a *lie.* This hurts me so much, because the truth is staring them in the face, but they live in ignorance.

What can we do in the face of this wall of enemy propaganda?

Interesting that you would bring this up. I just heard yesterday that in some of Martin Luther's writings (the one who brought protestantism and came out of Catholic church and who was German) it says that Jews are of the devil and that they should be treated as such. If he in fact did write that, then it makes sense that this brand of Christianity was what made Hitler's plans to come true and what would make Hitler to be a Christian according to Luther's writings. (If that was true. But I don't know if we can verify that or not.)

Afterall, Catholic church also was "Christian" and yet has killed many people through crusades. There have been many brands of "Christianity and Christians" over the ages.

When you think of people who are not Christians (or don't believe) look at this from THEIR perspective. It will help you not to feel that they are doing something bad. Because they simply do what they BELIEVE is the right thing. They live according to what they believe. And they cannot do otherwise.

Afterall, what do Christians expect the unbelievers to believe? Look at it. Christians say: there was this man, four thousands of years ago and he said such and such. Then there was this man 2000 years ago and he said such and such. And then there was another man about 2000 years ago and he said such and such.
And it's the TRUTH! When non-Christians would say: well, do you have any proof that it's the truth? Afterall, you did not personally see these men nor can you prove that they actually existed. You would say: no, I don't have any proof. BUT I just KNOW that it's the truth. The person would say: well, HOW do you know? You would say: well, I just believe that it's the truth.

Does believing something make something true? Of course not!
There are thousands of Muslims who believe that what Muhammed was said is true. There are thousands of some others who believe that what Buddah said was true.

So why do some believe Buddah over Jesus? Why do some NOT believe?


Well, according to the Bible verses (2Co 4:4 Acts13:48 John 6:64) it's God who chooses whose eyes to open to the truth and whose not to open. Because ALL are blinded otherwise.

So what can you expect from people whose eyes are blinded to the truth? Are they bad because they preach something THAT THEY BELIEVE IN, but that happens to be not true?


Imagine if you were an unbeliever. And three people came to your door. And one was a Christian and told you about God Jehovah and Jesus and Paul. And the other was a Muslim and told you about Allah and Muhammed. And the third one was Buddist and told you about inner enlightenment and reincarnation and such. Who would you believe and why would you believe one over the other?

So as you can see (I hope) that it's very hard for people to see the truth. They cannot do it. How can one do it without any proof? How can one do it without any supernatural intervention?

There are so many documents of ancient people. Who can know which of these are true? Which of these were fairy tales? Which of these actually have happened? HOW can we know? Afterall, even in our times it's hard to get at the truth. Some newspapers speak the truth and some speak lies. We can't even know if something is true while we are living during the things which are taking place. We know about corruption and lies and the covering up of the truth. So how can we know any truth about ancient times?

My answer is: we can't know. We are either left to chance or supernatural intervention.
 
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Who's God? The earth? the moon? another perhaps? Jesus Christ is My God. That is how i know who my God is. God is wise making us accept only His only Son. After we say Jesus is Lord, then we say the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. You can have none of the 3 without Jesus as master, or Savior. Its Gods way. Jesus is the Savior, the HS calls us to Jesus Christ and if we deny that, the HS is not within us. No man may say Jesus is Lord unless done so by the Holy Spirit. The HS calls us To Jesus Christ, not to itself or a generic name like God which means nothing without Jesus as our master Jesus Christ that we our saved by. By no other name are we saved. Its just that simple. People would like to complicate it, but that's not truth. Why is it so hard for so many to just say Jesus is Lord? It takes the HS to say this doesn't it? The HS calls us to Jesus not itself. God can be whatever i worship, if that be myself, i am my own God that i serve. I must submit to the Lord Jesus Christ before i can know the Father and His Holy Spirit also. That's the only truth i see in the Bible
 
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Can i say the Holy Spirit is Lord or God is Lord? No, Because no man may come unto the Father unless through Jesus Christ His only begotten Son. When we serve Jesus Christ as our master, we serve all 3. God is the Father, yet Jesus is our Lord.
 
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1 Corinthians 13:3 "And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing."

Romans 14:1 "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters."

Matthew 5:43-48 "“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

I hope this helps you
 
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