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[jeffweedaman]

Which is it?

I do not understand your question. Can you clarify if you have the time.

 

[jeffweedaman]

Do you think Cornelius at that moment of John 3, was thinking of Jesus dying on the cross, being buried, and rising on the 3rd day, for the salvation of the whole world?

I dont think anyone did. Even the disciples were slow to believe this.
The cross made Cornelius clean and Peter needed the vision in Acts 10 to see it.

 

[Hammster]

I do not understand your question. Can you clarify if you have the time.

He is either saving His sheep, or all mankind. It can’t be both.

 

[jeffweedaman]

He is either saving His sheep, or all mankind. It can’t be both.

It is both because the Lord has sheep of other folds / nations. We become one sheep with one Shephard.

John 10:16
And I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice; and they will become one flock, with one shepherd.

The Lord establishes salvation through his cross and it grows to fill the earth. The rock becomes a mountain that fills the earth and fish / sheep of all kinds are gathered in the Gospel net at the end of this age.

 

[Hammster]

It is both because the Lord has sheep of other folds / nations. We become one sheep with one Shephard.

John 10:16
And I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice; and they will become one flock, with one shepherd.

The Lord establishes salvation through his cross and it grows to fill the earth. The rock becomes a mountain that fills the earth and fish / sheep of all kinds are gathered in the Gospel net at the end of this age.

Not everyone is a sheep. So not all mankind is saved.

 

[jeffweedaman]

Not everyone is a sheep. So not all mankind is saved.

I am not saying everyone is a sheep, far from it.
But there is Cornelius's to be found in every tribe and nation , and the Lord finds them and embraces them Amen. Glory to his name.

 

[Hammster]

I am not saying everyone is a sheep, far from it.
But there is Cornelius's to be found in every tribe and nation , and the Lord finds them and embraces them Amen. Glory to his name.

Which is why I said that it can’t be both.

 

[jeffweedaman]

Which is why I said that it can’t be both.

So you agree with me then? I am struggling with the intent of your posts. Why not take the time to deliver your point more precisely .?

 

[Guojing]

I dont think anyone did. Even the disciples were slow to believe this.
The cross made Cornelius clean and Peter needed the vision in Acts 10 to see it.

So when you interpret scripture, you cannot anticipate revelation. We have the advantage of reading the mystery revealed by the Apostle Paul, and it will be wrong to read Jesus first coming and insert those revelation into the meaning of his words.

I personally think Jesus never actually said John 3:16, the author of the gospel of John added that verse in as a form of commentary, because John was written many years after the other 3 gospel accounts were written.

The author of John added a lot of his personal commentary into his gospel account, the clearest example is in John 2

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

John 2:22 was clearly a commentary from the author of John. Likewise, that is how we should view John 3:16.

 

[Hammster]

So you agree with me then? I am struggling with the intent of your posts. Why not take the time to deliver your point more precisely .?

I agree that Christ saves His sheep. I don’t agree that God sent his Son to save all Mankind through the blood of his Son.

 

[jeffweedaman]

I agree that Christ saves His sheep. I don’t agree that God sent his Son to save all Mankind through the blood of his Son.

How then are the rest of mankind going to be saved?

 

[DavidPT]

I agree that Christ saves His sheep. I don’t agree that God sent his Son to save all Mankind through the blood of his Son.

Does this mean you believe that everyone that ends up lost, there was never no hope for them whatsoever, that they couldn't be saved no matter what? IOW, it would be in vain for them to think salvation is for them as well, so why even try to get saved, right? Christ didn't die for any of them as well. BTW, no one is proposing Universalism if that is what you are taking some of this to imply, meaning what Jeff said in these other posts.

 

[Hammster]

How then are the rest of mankind going to be saved?

They aren’t. Christ saves His sheep.

 

[Hammster]

Does this mean you believe that everyone that ends up lost, there was never no hope for them whatsoever, that they couldn't be saved no matter what? IOW, it would be in vain for them to think salvation is for them as well, so why even try to get saved, right? Christ didn't die for any of them as well. BTW, no one is proposing Universalism if that is what you are taking some of this to imply, meaning what Jeff said in these other posts.

I believe that He came for His sheep. He didn’t come for goats.

 

[jeffweedaman]

They aren’t. Christ saves His sheep.

Who are the sheep that do not belong to the Jewish fold?
Why send the Gospel of the blood of Christ to the Gentiles.?

God so loved world of Man He sent his Son to gather out his sheep from all nations.

 

[DavidPT]

I believe that He came for His sheep. He didn’t come for goats.

Luke 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


Is this an example of one of the goats Jesus didn't come to save as well? Or is this an example of one His sheep, thus this person lived a Godly life for the most part? If you think this----for we receive the due reward of our deeds---equals having lived a sheeply life rather than a goatly life, then I don't know what to tell you?

 

[Hammster]

Who are the sheep that do not belong to the Jewish fold?
Why send the Gospel of the blood of Christ to the Gentiles.?

God so loved world of Man He sent his Son to gather out his sheep from all nations.

Sheep. Goats. That’s the distinction.

 

[Hammster]

Luke 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


Is this an example of one of the goats Jesus didn't come to save as well? Or is this an example of one His sheep, thus this person lived a Godly life for the most part? If you think this----for we receive the due reward of our deeds---equals having lived a sheeply life rather than a goatly life, then I don't know what to tell you?

One was a sheep. One was a goat. One heard the Shepherd’s voice. One did not.

 

[jeffweedaman]

Sheep. Goats. That’s the distinction.

You avoided my questions...why?

Who are the sheep that do not belong to the Jewish fold?
Why send the Gospel of the blood of Christ to the Gentiles.?

 

[Hammster]

You avoided my questions...why?

Who are the sheep that do not belong to the Jewish fold?
Why send the Gospel of the blood of Christ to the Gentiles.?

Because there are two folds. First to the Jews, then to the Gentiles.