For the doomsday prophets, it was forty years. Until 1988. Then it was 70 years. Until 2018.Good point. How long is a biblical generation?
You can't be serious. The thing Jesus referred to was the generation of the people standing in front of him.What I stated is indeed not "invented," but unquestionable fact:
"The word "this," or, in the Greek 'auth,' as you transliterated it, simply means the thing being referred to. So the words 'this generation' can mean the generation that was in place at the time the statement was made, and can mean the generation that is under discussion at the moment."
To even question this statement is totally irrational.
You pretend that the historical accounts back up your claims. But for most of the events which you claim to be fulfillments of various prophecies, most of the details contained in the prophecy in question do not match the details of the historical records which you pretend show that it has been fulfilled. That is why, and expressly why, I said (in another thread) that Historicism requires an assumption that the pronouncements of Bible prophecy do not mean what they actually say.
Historical evidence that flatly contradicts the prophecies in question is not evidence that they have been fulfilled.
And simply believing what the Bible explicitly says is neither speculation, imagination, or hallucination.
Partial and Idealists preterism are allowed. I have always been a Preterist......I noticed some of the options in the poll are first-century options. Preterist views are not allowed in this forum, are they?
I'm still familiarizing myself with the rules.
Preterism has led some to atheism. If not, then perhaps just to despair. But it's so logical that there's no going back.Partial and Idealists preterism are allowed. I have always been a Preterist......
Full or Hyper Preterism can be discussed on this other board.......I am slowly leaning toward that view but have not yet embraced it.......
Full Preterist Safe House
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Thanks for the warning and welcome to CF........Preterism has led some to atheism. If not, then perhaps just to despair. But it's so logical that there's no going back.
Fair warning before you cross that Rubicon.
In the whole Bible, there is one spiritual generation of sons of the devil...Cain being first, who was tempted by Satan and received the temptation and acted upon it, therefore murdering the first prophet, Abel. Cain then was a spiritual son of the devil and the first human being called of the sons/ generation of wrath. Read the history book called the "Book of Jasher" to see what Abel prophesied to Cain about the avenging of his blood by YHWH, if Abel did slay him...I would like to primarily focus on the phrase "this generation" that is used in the Bible....
That is indeed a possible interpretation of the words Jesus used in this sentence. But it is most absolutely only one possible interpretation of those words. The interpretation I gave is another fully valid interpretation of these same words.You can't be serious. The thing Jesus referred to was the generation of the people standing in front of him.
I have yet to be presented with even one case of either Preterism or Historicism presenting "historical evidence" that actually matched the details of the prophecy they are alleging was fulfilled in the cited event. The actual matching has typically been on the order of 10% to 15% of the details stated in the prophecy alleged to have been fulfilled. And that is why I said that both of these systems (as well as both Covenant Theology and Idealism) require an assumption that the Bible simply does not mean what it explicitly says.Your "historical evidence that flatly contradicts the prophecies in question" is invited to attempt to disprove any of the historical evidence provided.
The fig tree is Jerusalem, as Jesus cursed the fig upon entering Jerusalem, knowing that he would be rejected.For the doomsday prophets, it was forty years. Until 1988. Then it was 70 years. Until 2018.
Oops. Time to move the goalposts again.
Figs are mentioned falling in Revelation 6:13 and thus the great City in Revelation 18 also must be Jerusalem.......The fig tree is Jerusalem, as Jesus cursed the fig upon entering Jerusalem, knowing that he would be rejected.
So it is 1967 plus the 70 years.
Jerusalem is really not a great trading city, like the one described in Revelation 18.Figs are mentioned falling in Revelation 6:13 and thus the great City in Revelation 18 also must be Jerusalem.......
I have yet to be presented with even one case of either Preterism or Historicism presenting "historical evidence" that actually matched the details of the prophecy they are alleging was fulfilled in the cited event. The actual matching has typically been on the order of 10% to 15% of the details stated in the prophecy alleged to have been fulfilled. And that is why I said that both of these systems (as well as both Covenant Theology and Idealism) require an assumption that the Bible simply does not mean what it explicitly says.
But it is sheer nonsense to even pretend that a fulfillment of no more then 15% of the details of a given prophecy is a fulfillment of that prophecy.10% to 15% is an infinitely greater accuracy than the 0% of futurism's interpretation by hallucination.
I'm sure that you as a scientist recognize that mathematical reality.
But it is sheer nonsense to even pretend that a fulfillment of no more then 15% of the details of a given prophecy is a fulfillment of that prophecy.
The prophecies which the scriptures specifically tell us have been fulfilled were fulfilled completely, down to the tiniest detail.
I have yet to be presented with even one case of either Preterism or Historicism presenting "historical evidence" that actually matched the details of the prophecy they are alleging was fulfilled in the cited event. The actual matching has typically been on the order of 10% to 15% of the details stated in the prophecy alleged to have been fulfilled. And that is why I said that both of these systems (as well as both Covenant Theology and Idealism) require an assumption that the Bible simply does not mean what it explicitly says.
It is sheer nonsense to pretend that it is even significant to argue that an event expected in the FUTURE has not happened yet.It's infinitely sheerer nonsense to attempt to claim legitimacy for 0% fulfillment.
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