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Featured This Age of the Gentiles Is About Over

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Aug 22, 2017.

  1. Quasar92

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    It is my belief that this age of the Gentiles, this age of grace, is near its end, and following are some reasons why I think that.

    First of all, Jesus aid, in Luke 21:28, “Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near,” just after He gave a whole list of cataclysmic events that will come upon the world so that men’s hearts will fail them for fear.

    The Great Deceiver, whose goal is to lull everyone to sleep and unaware of eternal danger ahead, has come up with “man-made climate change” to explain it all. It was once called “global warming” until the heavy snow storms came upon us in the middle of the outcry of concern for global warming with melting of the icebergs and rising of ocean levels that would overcome the land masses.

    In that list of stormy events Jesus said there would be earthquakes in different places, places that were not previously normal for them to be experienced. Ravaging hurricanes, ice storms, tornados with devastating effect have been happening.

    The statement He made next, however, gives us the “times and seasons” in which these things would appear. He spoke, in Luke 21:29-32 in parable form, that the blossoming of the fig tree—a type of or identity of the nation of Israel—would mark the time of the end. Note His words:

    “Then He spoke to them a parable: ‘Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.’”

    If He meant the generation which heard Him say that, as perhaps some might want to argue, then you and I would never have been born. No, He was talking of the generation which would see the return of Israel to its place as a nation among the nations. This happened on May 14, 1948, sixty-nine years ago. How long is a generation in God’s timetable? Psalm 90:10 gives us a clue:

    “The days of our lives are seventy years; and if by reason of strength they are eighty years, yet their boast is only labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.”

    (This last part reminds me of that old faithful gospel song, “I’ll Fly Away” and probably is the source of that title.)

    When He says “all things take place,” it is clear that He means the final seven years that are called the Tribulation period, for it ends with Jesus coming to the earth to reign as King of kings on earth for a thousand years. (See Revelation 20.)

    Based on the accumulation of years since the rebirth of Israel, we are in the range of months only until Jesus comes in the Rapture of the saints.

    There are other telltale events in this world, also, that indicate that the time is very short. In 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3 Paul tells us that a “falling away” must come before the appearance of the lawless one. Some argue that this means “taking away” as in the Rapture, which is mentioned later in the chapter as being “when the one who restrains is taken out of the way.”

    I looked at how about 52 English translations and paraphrases recorded that phrase, “falling away,” or if it were translated as “taking away” instead. Almost all were using “falling away” or a similar wording as their translation variation. The closest phrase used was “departure,” which can easily mean “departure from the faith.” None of them specifically identified the phrase with the Rapture, however.

    It is totally conceivable that the end result of “falling away” from lawfulness will usher in that very image of lawlessness—the devil himself. That turning from lawfulness is confirmed by other Scripture, as follows, in spite of the argument as to the meaning of that phrase in the original Greek:

    “Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron…” (1 Timothy 4:1-2).

    “But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away” (2 Timothy 3:1-5).

    “But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:13).

    “Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming?

    For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men” (2 Peter 3:1-7).

    “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world” (1 John 4:1-3).

    (I have noted before that an uncle once complained that details of topics of the Bible were not put together under each respective topic heading, as in an encyclopedia, and now I have almost done the same thing. However, here I have quoted Paul, Peter and John to confirm the consistency of the Scriptures as one message.)

    It is almost unbelievable what we see in the news every day , not only in America but the whole world, the turn to lawlessness. Terrorism runs rampant and it seems no one can get a handle on it with any authority. Political correctness has become the controlling principle for social relationships. There is a faction that is quick to call any contrary judgment to their way of thinking “racism” no matter what is the real issue.

    Here in America the absolute hate for President Trump is so very vivid in the liberal side of our culture that there seems to be no way to resolve the differences. The very things which the leftist Democrats have always said they are for are the things Donald Trump promised he would do and is doing them, yet their hate is so strong they will not cooperate at all to get those things done.

    President Trump is president of the people of America, but he does not fit their mold of a president, so “he just is not presidential.” They strongly deny it, but it does appear that they would rather destroy America than to see President Trump succeed.

    Check the source of their “wisdom.” Solomon wrote in Proverbs 9:10, “the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom,” so it is no wonder that their default position turns out to be lawlessness, right out of the pit of the devil’s habitat.

    Just like Jesus said, false prophets with their false doctrines are abounding and are giving the masses a casual attitude regarding any sense of impending judgment and the end of the age. A news person the other day told of a bumper sticker that said, “Jesus Is Coming—Look Busy.” When sunlight is filtered through darkness, its intensity is greatly diminished and therefore, its effect shows up as increased lawlessness, in spiritual terms.

    Why does God allow such to happen? There seems to be a principle that God allows mankind to embrace sinfulness in a big way once he has rejected God as his Master. It confirms Man’s judgment for his rebellion. Yet, God says He is “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” in 2 Peter 3:9.

    None will enter the presence of God having not repented and turned away from his rebellion against God and receiving Jesus as his personal Savior, just as John 14:6 declares that none can be saved except through Him.

    By Gene Lawley


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  2. BABerean2

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    What happens when the "times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" in the passage below?

    Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 
    Luk 21:21  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 
    Luk 21:22  For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 
    Luk 21:23  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 
    Luk 21:24  And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 



    The Coming of the Son of Man (subtitle from eSword)

    Luk 21:25  "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 
    Luk 21:26  men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 
    Luk 21:27  Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 
    Luk 21:28  Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."
     

    The New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13 and the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20.
    Therefore, the Age of Grace does not end before the Second Coming of Christ.
    (Galatians 1:6-9)


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  3. Amazing Horse

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    I know what will happen when times of gentiles are full.
    Psalm 117 will happend and then we move to Psalm 118 :) , will be looking at it from above .
     
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  4. Eryk

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    Your posts really exalt Trump and insult Democrats but these things probably have nothing to do with the end times.

    I am a Democrat and a Christian. I love my country. I happen to disagree with President Trump but that's not evil.

    I love studying Eschatology on this forum but the partisanship is really out of place here.
     
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  5. Another Lazarus

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    Yes, God's patient doesnt last forever but God must rescue His people be4 He poured His wrath and destruction to this world, just as He did save Noah family and Lot be4 the destruction.
     
  6. Revealing Times

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    Overall we agree here, but I think you miss Jesus' point in total. Its not Israel returning that is the ultimate "Trigger" its the Generation that sees ALL OF THESE SIGNS. So what are the Signs? In Matthew 24 (same inference) we see all of the signs mentioned, so what are they?

    Jesus Death to 70 AD (Verses 1-2) 70 AD to the Rapture (Verses 3-8) Tribulation Period (Verses 9-13).
    1. Many will come saying I am christ.
    2. You will hear wars and rumors of wars.
    3. Nation against nation/famines/pestilences/earthquakes.
    4. The Disciples are killed and betrayed/hated for Jesus' sake.
    5. Many are offended and will betray/hate one another.
    6. False prophets/preachers will arise and deceive many.
    7. Because of Sin many humans turn hard hearted.
    8. The Gospel must be preached unto all the World, then the End comes.
    9. Abomination of Desolation happens.
    10. Israel flees to Judea.
    11. There will be Great Tribulation like never before.
    12. A False Prophet and False Christ preform "Signs and Wonders".
    13. The Sun & Moon are darkened and the Stars fall from the Heavens.
    These are the "SIGNS" after all of these signs we should expect to see this below:

    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    So what is the Last Sign? The Sun and Moon are Darkened, the sign just before that is the False Prophet and Ant-Christ preforming miracles and the sign before that is the GREAT TROUBLES, and just before that its the Abomination of Desolation.

    The Point being this is about the Second Coming, its Jesus telling the Jews what to look for. This is not the "SIGNS" Just before the Rapture. The last SIGN just before the Rapture would have to be the Gospel is preached unto ALL THE WORLD then the end (Tribulation period) will come. Jesus has to mean the Tribulation or Jacobs Trouble is the END because after he mentions the END WILL COME he stars speaking about all things TRIBULATION PERIOD.

    So we will of course not be here to see the Tribulation Signs brother.
     
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  7. Hieronymus

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    There is no pre trib rapture verse to be found, only pre wrath rapture.
    When Jesus comes we will be taken up, and then He will execute God's Wrath.
    But i hope to die of old age or disease before the tribulation...
     
  8. Marilyn C

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    Hi Hieronymus,

    Actually there is a pre-trib scripture - Acts 3: 20 & 21. of course you would need to know the realm of the rulership that needs to be restored first. That realm where the Lord will move to His own throne and begin to bring all rule and authority under His feet. (Rev. 3: 21, 1 Cor. 15: 24)

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  9. Hieronymus

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    Point is, the Wrath starts when Jesus is suddenly back (like a thief in the night), but He will take up the justified first.

    I think pre trib rapture is a dangerous teaching.
    But i guess we all wish it is true...
     
  10. Marilyn C

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    Hi Hieronymus,

    Remember these scriptures -

    `But you, brethren are not in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

    `...exhorting one another, and so much more as you see the Day approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25)

    Marilyn.
     
  11. Revealing Times

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    Not if its factual brother. He is telling the truth, the News Media are nothing but Propagandist, when in fact its their duty to report without being impartial, that's his whole point. You say its out of place, but if we are being carried forth unto a "One World Government" via propaganda by the Media, big Government shills in both the Dem and Republican sides then that needs to be told, does it not?

    I am not a Republican or a Dem, I see both as evil, I am a conservative in that I hold to the traditional values of what I think this country stood for and thus Jesus stood for (Forgiveness, Love, Hard work, One man one wife, the Sanctity of Life, Liberty to all Etc. What I don't get as a Christian is how anyone could ever support any party that pushes abortion, to me that is his point, we are losing our moral high ground as Christians by supporting both of these parties, which are both vile and which are both mostly anti- God. God tells us not to go into DEBT, they spend like drunken sailors.

    If our leaders can't be called out as moral or immoral what good are we? God tells us to call out the Wicked.

    Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

    I think when we get to Heaven a lot of Christians will be told they acted like lukewarm pacifists (to be kind) not calling out evil for what it is, the early Christians called out Romes evil and paid with their lives in many cases, John the Baptist called out King Herod and paid with his life. We sit around and refuse to call out evil, that's why its flourishing. 60 Million innocent babies and we just sit and suck our thumbs. God is not happy with us, that's for sure.

    Do we think John was crazy for calling out Herod's Marriage arrangement or lack thereof? If someone called out a Mayor living in the same manor today he would be seen as a LUNATIC INTERLOPER or a busy body. What's changed? The Church.
     
  12. Marilyn C

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    Thanks Hieronymus for the `like.` Great we can agree on that.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  13. BABerean2

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    The restoration of all things occurs at Christ's Second coming.

    The verses below kill the pretrib doctrine.

    Rev 12:11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 
    (A person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church.)


    1Th 5:10  who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him. 
    (The words "we" and "sleep" in this verse prove that 1 Thessalonians chapter 5 is connected to chapter 4. Therefore, the timing of the event in chapter 4 occurs on "the day of the Lord" when He "comes like a thief". Based on 2 Peter 3:10, and Revelation 16:15-16, it is a Second Coming event.)


    2Th 1:7  and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 
    2Th 1:8  in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 
    (The fire comes at Christ's Second Coming, which connects it to 2 Peter 3:10.)


    Heb 8:13  In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. 
    (The New Covenant has already made the Old Covenant "obsolete". Therefore, God is not going to deal with the modern State of Israel under the Old Covenant system during a future time, as classic Dispensational Theology claims.)


    Heb 13:20  Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 
    (The New Covenant is "everlasting". Therefore, the Church Age cannot end before the Second Coming of Christ.)



    Modern Dispensational Theology and its pretrib rapture doctrine fall apart once a person comes to realize that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is fulfilled by Christ, during the first century, in Hebrews 8:6-13. The New Covenant is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

    Nobody is going to be saved outside of the New Covenant Church during a future time. There is no Plan B.

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  14. Amazing Horse

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    1 Thessalonians 5:2
    Revelation 1:7

    If there is only time that he is comming post trib , then how can he both be hidden as thief and revealed to every eye?
     
  15. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    All happened already OP. 70AD was the date.

    Try reading scripture in the mindset of those that it was written for, not in a modenistic way.

    Jesus was indeed speaking about the Apostles generation.
     
  16. Amazing Horse

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    So if all is fullfilled why are we still here on earth ?
     
  17. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    You are probably mixed up in interpreting it all wrongly.

    I believe in the partial Preterist view myself.
     
  18. Amazing Horse

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    No , you said All happend , all include returning Jesus in 70 ad aswell.
     
  19. BABerean2

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    Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem (subtitle from eSword)

    Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 
    Luk 21:21  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 
    Luk 21:22  For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 
    Luk 21:23  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 
    Luk 21:24  And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 
    (Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of this verse is about 70 AD. What happens after "the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled"? The answer is found in Luke 21:25-28. It will be Christ's future Second Coming.)



    The Coming of the Son of Man

    Luk 21:25  "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 
    Luk 21:26  men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 
    Luk 21:27  Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 
    Luk 21:28  Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." 

    Partial Preterism believes that the disciples asked Jesus 2 questions and He answered both questions in the Olivet Discourse.

    1. When will the temple be destroyed?

    2. What will be the sign of your coming?

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  20. Amazing Horse

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    Matthew tell what will happen before destruction of Jerusalem , Luke what will happend after .
     
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