Third Temple

[keras]

I disagree with your interpretation of Isaiah and Revelation that people who are not literally descended from the tribe of Levi will serve as Priests in the Temple. This is a clear violation of God's command as described in Deuteronomy 18.

Which scripture do you prefer to violate, Isaiah 66:21 and Rev 5:10, or Deut 18?

God can raise descendants of Abraham from the very stones.....Matthew 3:8-9
Anyway, after 100 generations since the Patriarchs, every person on earth today can claim descent from them. That is a mathematical fact.

 

[jamespyles]

The new Temple will be more splendid than either of the former ones. Haggai 2:9 And in the holy Land, He will grant prosperity and peace.
How will this be accomplished? By removing the 'evil neighbors', Jeremiah 12:14, and refining Israel; only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27, Ezekiel 21:1-8
It will be the Lord's great and terrible Day of vengeance and wrath, a sudden devastating judgement/punishment by fire from the sun. Isaiah 30:28-30, Malachi 4:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7
We Christian people will inhabit all of the holy Land, being what God always wanted but has never had; a nation who are His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and a Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 21:43

As my long suffering Jewish wife might say, "Oy."

So you believe God will break all of the New Covenant promises He made to Israel in Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36 and somehow transfer them to "the Church". My interpretation is that God, not being a liar, will do everything He promised to Israel, restore the worldwide population (yes, probably a remnant) of Jews to their nation Israel, and the rest of the people in the world will live in their own countries, which will become vassal nations to Israel.

Not a comfortable image since Christianity says the Church (rather than Israel) will be the head and not the tail. Personally, I'm looking forward to visiting Jerusalem for the festival of Sukkot as described in Zechariah 8 (although technically, only the nations who went up against Israel in the final war are required to send representatives). It'll be wonderful to see King Messiah (Jesus) rule from the Holy City.

 

[keras]

Zechariah 8:20-23 describes how people of the nations will join with Israel (not the other way around), and particularly at the festival of Sukkot (Festival of Booths), representatives of each of the nations are to be sent. Those that don't, won't receive rain.

What you don't seem to see, is that we Christians are the Israelites of God. All the New Testament teaching points to this truth. Galatians 6:16
Ethnicity no longer has anything to do with who is a true person of God. Ephesians 2:11-18, Galatians 3:26-29 WE ARE the 'nation' Jesus referred to in Matthew 21:43

 

[jamespyles]

What you don't seem to see, is that we Christians are the Israelites of God. All the New Testament teaching points to this truth. Galatians 6:16
Ethnicity no longer has anything to do with who is a true person of God. Ephesians 2:11-18, Galatians 3:26-29 WE ARE the 'nation' Jesus referred to in Matthew 21:43

Galatians is complicated epistle and can't just be cherry picked to appeal to a certain doctrine. In Matthew 21, the Kingdom of God is the future Messianic Kingdom, and Jesus would have to completely contradict God the Father to say it was being taken away from Israel and given to the Gentiles.

In Matthew 21, who was Jesus talking to (context is everything). Not all Jews everywhere. Only the Chief Priests (who were appointed by the Romans as stooges and who weren't even Levites) and Pharisees (I could write essays about how we can't paint all Pharisees with the same broad brush, especially when the religious practices of Jesus and Paul were more like the Pharisees than other Jewish groups of that day).

Have to pick my grandson up from school, so I don't know when I'll get back to this conversation. Interesting, though.

 

[keras]

So you believe God will break all of the New Covenant promises He made to Israel in Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36 and somehow transfer them to "the Church". My interpretation is that God, not being a liar, will do everything He promised to Israel, restore the worldwide population (yes, probably a remnant) of Jews to their nation Israel, and the rest of the people in the world will live in their own countries, which will become vassal nations to Israel.

God will not break any promises.
The real Israel of God is not the current inhabitants of the holy Land. That entire area will be devastated in the soon to happen Lord's Day of wrath; prophesies over 100 times throughout the Bible. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Amos 1 & 2 +
If you stay in your own country, you will have to take the mark of the One World Govt, or starve, or get your head chopped off for your faith. No, the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5 will be established in all of that area given to Abraham so long ago, but never yet fully controlled by God's people. It will happen or God's promises will have failed.

 

[parousia70]

As my long suffering Jewish wife might say, "Oy."

So you believe God will break all of the New Covenant promises He made to Israel in Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36 and somehow transfer them to "the Church".

Since the Church is Believing Israel, the Nazarene Sect of Biblical Judaism, nothing was transferred.

The Church Existed all the way back to Moses time in the Wilderness and was comprised of the Believing remnant.

The continuation of Israel is NEVER to be counted through the wicked sons but only through the believing remnant.

It's as if you are saying that the thousands of Wicked ones with Moses that were slain in the wilderness are TRUE Israel, while the Believing remnant that survived to enter the promised land are NOT true Israel.
Such is untenable to the Honest Bible expositor.

Personally, I'm looking forward to visiting Jerusalem for the festival of Sukkot as described in Zechariah 8 (although technically, only the nations who went up against Israel in the final war are required to send representatives). It'll be wonderful to see King Messiah (Jesus) rule from the Holy City.

I hope you're already circumcised then!

 

[keras]

Jesus would have to completely contradict God the Father to say it was being taken away from Israel and given to the Gentiles.

But that is exactly what He does say in Matthew 21:43. He also refers to the Jews as being the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 3:9
Salvation is for all who will accept it, Jews and Gentile. John 3:16 is clear: ALL who have faith in Jesus.....
Sure, Jesus was talking to the Jewish leaders and all rejecters of Jesus' sacrifice. All of the Apostles were Jews, [Luke may have been Gentile,] this proves my point and the entire Message: Salvation is by faith and by faith alone.
Your determination to maintain a future redemption of the present Jewish people, contradicts many scriptures and is held by people who believe in a rapture to heaven of the Church and Israel, the Jews, remain on earth to face the Great Tribulation. This is false teaching, found nowhere in the Bible.
It may interest you to look at my logostelos.info website for info about me and what the Prophetic Word actually does say about our future.

 

[keras]

I hope you're already circumcised then!

I do agree with the first part of your post #66.
But circumcision is NOT a requirement today, or in the future, for being a true person of God. Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:1-3

 

[jgr]

Anyway, after 100 generations since the Patriarchs, every person on earth today can claim descent from them. That is a mathematical fact.

That’s a profound point, and one which is never addressed by today’s dispensational evangelists: Who qualifies as a Jew? And yes, the genetic probability is that by now virtually every one of us possesses at least one molecule of Abraham’s blood, and thus qualifies.

So how will we all fit into the land supposedly reserved for us, even with expanded borders?

 

[parousia70]

I do agree with the first part of your post #66.
But circumcision is NOT a requirement today, or in the future, for being a true person of God. Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:1-3

I of course understand that, but Our friend Jamespyles' interpretation requires physical circumcision be re instituted....

 

[parousia70]

That’s a profound point, and one which is never addressed by today’s dispensational evangelists: Who qualifies as a Jew? And yes, the genetic probability is that by now virtually every one of us possesses at least one molecule of Abraham’s blood, and thus qualifies.

Hey, if Connie Chung qualifies, anybody can!

 

[jgr]

Hey, if Connie Chung qualifies, anybody can!

Heh Heh...yeah, under the Old Covenant, you qualified if you submitted to its covenant requirements, even if you didn't qualify ethnically (Gen. 17:12).

 

[Widlast]

The rest Of the Priesthood and Temple attendants... did you read Ezra 2?



And how does one "consult with them" to determine proper Levitical geneaolgy of applicants to the priesthood who are not found in the (non existent) genealogical records?

They have the Rabbis already. You can argue with them about whether they have the proper genealogy, as far as they are concerned they do.

 

[parousia70]

They have the Rabbis already. You can argue with them about whether they have the proper genealogy, as far as they are concerned they do.

Oh so the only requirement you see is the claim.
Got it.
Anyone can claim to be Israel and "poof" they qualify as far as you are concerned.

 

[Widlast]

Oh so the only requirement you see is the claim.
Got it.
Anyone can claim to be Israel and "poof" they qualify as far as you are concerned.

It has nothing whatsoever with what I say, or do not say. IT IS NOT MY TEMPLE.
The Israelis can do whatever they please, their country, their religion, their temple.
Why do YOU think that your opinion will sway them in any way?

 

[parousia70]

It has nothing whatsoever with what I say, or do not say. IT IS NOT MY TEMPLE.
The Israelis can do whatever they please, their country, their religion, their temple.

And none of it is BIBLICAL. Not the People, not teh government, not the Religion, not the temple.

Why do YOU think that your opinion will sway them in any way?

Not trying to... its the Christians who have the bizarre idea of who Biblical Israel is that I'm attempting to correct with scripture.

 

[jamespyles]

God will not break any promises.
The real Israel of God is not the current inhabitants of the holy Land. That entire area will be devastated in the soon to happen Lord's Day of wrath; prophesies over 100 times throughout the Bible. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Amos 1 & 2 +
If you stay in your own country, you will have to take the mark of the One World Govt, or starve, or get your head chopped off for your faith. No, the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5 will be established in all of that area given to Abraham so long ago, but never yet fully controlled by God's people. It will happen or God's promises will have failed.

Don't see "one world government" anywhere in the Bible. I do see God's love for Israel, the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, in the Bible. I don't tolerate anti-semites well since my wife and three children are Jewish. I also gained a unique and I believe much less contaminated view of the Bible from them.

 

[Widlast]

And none of it is BIBLICAL. Not the People, not teh government, not the Religion, not the temple.



Not trying to... its the Christians who have the bizarre idea of who Biblical Israel is that I'm attempting to correct with scripture.

Basically you are just passing gas into the wind. The religious authorities of Israel are the ones who will determine what temple gets built and when.
And they could not care less about your opinions. Whether it is, or is not Biblical in your opinion is MEANINGLESS.
Frankly, I don't care what they do. I just have read what they intend to do, and am willing to take THEIR word for it.

 

[mikeangel]

I've shared the same concept. Another observation, in revelations when Christ will reign for a thousand years, yet notice that death isn't defeated until the last day. So it's my belief that Christ reign of a thousand years is actually just a concept of time and not an exact duration, think about it. Will Christ come and just hangout on earth for a housand years while many are just dying of old age disease etc.. ( possibly, but not sure) it isn't until the last day that death is defeated. So Christ reigning is ongoing in my opinion, for he lives in us.

Yes, I have noticed that the total end doesn't come until after the 1000 (to me also symbolic of a long time) year reign. And he is here now inside us. I agree totally

 

[keras]

Don't see "one world government" anywhere in the Bible.

Daniel 7:23, Revelation 13:7-8
Soon after the sudden and shocking Lord's Day of wrath, that will change our civilization, Revelation 6:12-17 and over 100 other prophesies that vividly describe the Lord's fiery punishment upon the attackers of Israel, Psalm 83, Micah 4:11-12, the survivors will establish a OWG to help the world recover from this disaster. The 10 regions have already been agreed on, all as plainly prophesied and what will happen.

So how will we all fit into the land supposedly reserved for us, even with expanded borders?

The borders of Beulah will encompass all the area given to Abraham; from the Nile to the Euphrates. Micah 7:11-13, Isaiah 35:1-10, Isaiah 54:2-3, Isaiah 26:15