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In the KJV, the messiah cutoff is before the destruction of the temple and city in the text - grammatically, .... and historically a fact.
The prince who shall come is of those people - the Romans.
Jesus was not a Roman, but a Jew. A fact.
Cutoff as it is used in Daniel 9:26 means killed. It does not specify in Daniel 9:26 by what method.Do you think Messiah was still cut off in 70 AD? What do you think "cut off" means?
The prince who shall come was the prince Messiah.
Messiah who was in heaven in 70 AD was neither Roman nor Jew.
No beast was mentioned here by Gabriel. This was a message of hope. Look at the broader context:And there is where we differ. I believe the covenant in question is in Dan. 9:27. I don't think that is a covenant of God. I think the Beast of Revelation confirms this covenant.
Jesus defeated death. That's the whole plot of the story.Cutoff as it is used in Daniel 9:26 means killed.
By the time the person has become the beast in Revelation, he will have transgressed the covenant by claiming himself to be God.And there is where we differ. I believe the covenant in question is in Dan. 9:27. I don't think that is a covenant of God. I think the Beast of Revelation confirms this covenant.
Cutoff as it is used in Daniel 9:26 means killed. It does not specify in Daniel 9:26 by what method.
By the time the city and sanctuary were destroyed, Jesus's death on the cross was history.
You can say the prince who shall come is prince messiah - but that prince messiah will be the King of Israel/messiah, coming in his own name. He is the great opposer to Jesus, and the new covenant.
"still killed" ? What kind of term is that?Yes. Was Jesus still killed in 70 AD?
Jesus was not a Roman.His life wasn't history. He was fully alive in heaven in 70 AD, directing the divine destruction of the nation of Israel which He had prophesied a generation earlier.
No, you are wrong. Messiah means anointed. Cyrus was an anointed. Saul was an anointed. "The" Messiah is a specific anointed chosen by God to be the King of Israel/messiah.
"still killed" ? What kind of term is that?
Jesus was not a Roman.
No, you are wrong. Messiah means anointed. Cyrus was an anointed. Saul was an anointed. "The" Messiah is a specific anointed chosen by God to be the King of Israel/messiah.
No, "still dead" is not my term.Your term.
Was Jesus still dead in 70 AD?
So how could He be antichrist?
Jesus rose from the grave on the third day. And is currently in heaven. And was in heaven while the city and sanctuary was destroyed
Exactly what I've been saying. Destroyed by Messiah the Prince in heaven.
boondoggle. You are misrepresenting me.You didn't answer my earlier question:
Your claim that Messiah in Daniel 9 is antichrist is blasphemous. Does that concern you?
The prince who shall come is end times. And is not Jesus.
boondoggle. You are misrepresenting me.
My position is in Not so complicated...
boondoggle.Your position may not be so complicated, but you cannot find anyone else on the planet who agrees with you.
That would make your position a private interpretation of the text.
boondoggle.
If I were to start naming people who agree with parts of what my position is - that would give you a way to criticize what my position is by finding some fault in them - which is what you want.
I am not playing that game BAB2. You are following the opinions of others in their interpretations... which are wrong. That's your problem, not mine.
Same boondoggle as BAB2. You and BAB2 are covenant theology and new covenant theology, and follow the opinions of them in those movements. And are products of committee think.Have you started your own church and written your own bible yet?
If you're the sole possessor of certain truth, it is incumbent upon you to do so. (James 4:17)
We'd like to see a name of someone who agrees with you who is recognized in Christian circles.
As not a cult.
And certainly have not started my own church, nor group of followers.
Same boondoggle as BAB2. You and BAB2 are covenant theology and new covenant theology, and follow the opinions of them in those movements. And are products of committee think.
The KJV bible is what I quote from. And certainly have not started my own church, nor group of followers.
In Christ, Jeremiah's prophecy was fulfilled. You're certainly free to deny it - but I agree with the author of Hebrews.
Spurgeon on the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy: The Spurgeon Library | God in the Covenant
What covenant is Paul referring to here? Is there more than one new covenant (in your belief)?
2 Corinthians 3:6
...who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
In Christ, Jeremiah's prophecy was fulfilled. You're certainly free to deny it - but I agree with the author of Hebrews.
Spurgeon on the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy: The Spurgeon Library | God in the Covenant
What covenant is Paul referring to here? Is there more than one new covenant (in your belief)?
2 Corinthians 3:6
...who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Please point out a lie there.
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