Third Temple is a Wrong Teaching

[Danoh]

Acts 7:48's "Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as also saith the prophet," is uttered within the context of the Spirit's rebuke in Acts 6 and 7 through Stephen, of Israel's rebellious response to the privelege God had accorded them throughout their history.

From Acts 4 forward this rebellion has been coming to the head it finally does, here in Acts 6 and 7, which results in their adding one more murder of one of God's messengers to their list: their murder of Stephen, for basically the same reason they had murdered those before him.

In laying out their rebellious history, the Spirit thru Stephen lays out His not only having delivered them in times past from their enemies by His hand alone, not only had He given them a Law that they might worship Him in wisdom by, but He, the King of Heaven and Earth Himself, had both given them the privilege, as well as supplied them with skilled craftsman towards their building of a house for Him to dwell within their midst with them and this, given the fact that His glory is simply to vast for any mere building made with hands to even begin to hope to ever be able to contain it all.

How that they had not only concluded it had been by their own hand; in their own strength, not only had they then continually polluted this house with idols, but had repeatedly killed those prophets he had sent them in objection of their vain idolatry.

Their response - Stephen quickly ends up next on their hit list, 2 Sam. 7:9-16; 2 Kings 21:25; Isa. 66:1,2; John 2:16, 17; Acts 7:51-54.

As he is they begin to lay into him - even to the point of "gnashing on him with their teeth!" - he looks up to Heaven to see the Lord "standing at the right hand of God."

Israel had been headed towards its final hour. But that is another study.

 

[Danoh]

Sorry, Parousia, you are off on those all power passages - way off. Likewise as to "the god of this world" being in some kind of check. Its not like he's some sort of imprisoned Mob Boss, yet somehow running things through minions. He himself is said by Paul not only very busy "blinding the minds of people lest they believe the glorious gospel... of the Mystery" that Paul preached, but "taking them captive AT HIS WILL."

Christ, Paul and Peter are referring neither to the same all power, nor to its same timing.

But go ahead, you read what you will into such things. So long as you have believed Romans 5:8, I'm happy for ya. Can't expect many to walk in an understanding of their salvation beyond that - not given the reading into that is the traditions of men

 

[NannaNae]

Jesus confirms it!

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me in heaven AND IN EARTH.

Do you believe Him?

Seems like you don't... seems like you think ALL POWER in Heaven AND EARTH is not His yet...But He says it is.

How do you reconcile that?

Paul Says Jesus has ALREADY triumphed over principalities and powers:
Colossians 2:15
Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.


Peter also Says Jesus ascended into His throne in heaven AFTER all authorities and powers had been made subject TO HIM...
1 Peter 3:22
[Jesus Christ]who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

We are not still waiting for this to take place. It's a done deal - and if you ask me, it's high time we started acting like it instead of running scared Claiming "The Devil made me do it".

This world is under the power of Jesus Christ.

Satan does NOT rule the earth today, Jesus Christ does. Satan has absolutely no power today to keep ANYONE from salvation.
His head has been crushed. He is a defeated foe.

Satan was bound/judged/cast out by Christ's ministry, reversing satan's dominion over the People of God, granting power over all darkness to the saints, and immediately enabling the gospel to spread to all nations.
(John 12:31 and Matt 12:28-29, Heb 2:14-15 and 1 John 3:8).

wait a minute if what you are claiming is true as you say
why then do you call everyone sinner, why must he save all sinners ? those powers he overcame with , is granted to us to overcome sin..

not to do anything else until we first overcome sin!

 

[NannaNae]

"Seems like you don't... seems like you think ALL POWER in Heaven AND EARTH is not His yet...But He says it is." I believe he has a plan .... he may have gained all power.. but he did not choose to exercize it all then why ?

because there is a plan and there is laws and leases and promises and lots of stuff in the workings of a LAWFUL GOD ....He is LAWFUL first and him using any and any and all power/rights on that day or any other day will be done lawful.

I was given salvation... I am working out my salvation.... someday I will be fully saved.. but that isn't today it is all in his timing!
my job is to make sure I am pleasing him and he hates sin period.

 

[JLB777]

The Thess materials are timestamped about things in the 1st century.

The letter to the Thessalonians is time-stamped to the Day of the Lord.


13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18


and again -


1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God...8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4,8


Those that teach the resurrection is past are guilty of practicing HERESY!


JLB

 

[Interplanner]

I'm not teaching that the collective resurrection is past, and the timestamp problem is not addressed by referring to the couple passages you picked.

The timestamps I'm referring to are the reference to the standing temple (he means the actual Herod's 1st century temple). We know from Christ's own experience that if a member of Judaism enters it and proclaims himself to be messiah, they were considered to be calling themselves God. Paul's language echoes all that. There were three such in the strife of the late 60s, however, they fought each other and John of Gischala won out. They were all delusional just the same; each of them believing themselves to be especially annointed for divine battle against Rome, yet extremely harsh abou the Law, and again gross violators of parts of it if it would insure a win.

The 2nd timestamp is from 1 Th 1 in which the wrath of God against Israel for all the rejection of the Gospel is said to be past tense. I believe that shows how quickly the destruction could come, but God tarried, and also that it reflects the belief that the 490 years were up in the 40s if you want to go the exact route, and ignore that God can tarry and that the last "week" is unusual by all standards.

The material is framed with the same contingency as Mt 24 etc and 2 Pet 3. The end of the world could have been 'right after' the traumatic events in Judea, but the last call was up to the Father.

It does not matter how the leader of the 'rebellion that desolates' (Dan 8:13) perished, or what "the brightness of His coming" actually meant; but he was destroyed and it was a visitation of God, because Lk 19 expresses both meanings (both the warnings of Christ about the DofJ and the events itself).

 

[briancfcf]

Technically speaking, the second temple really wasn't a second temple. It was the first, but made more grand. So technically speaking, we are waiting for the second temple.

First Temple Built

1Ki 6:37 In the fourth year was the foundation of the house of the LORD laid, in the month Zif:
1Ki 6:38 And in the eleventh year, in the month Bul, which is the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it.
1Ki 7:51 So was ended all the work that king Solomon made for the house of the LORD. And Solomon brought in the things which David his father had dedicated; even the silver, and the gold, and the vessels, did he put among the treasures of the house of the LORD.
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First Temple Destroyed and Second Being Built

Ezr 5:11 And thus they returned us answer, saying, We are the servants of the God of heaven and earth, and build the house that was builded these many years ago, which a great king of Israel builded and set up.
Ezr 5:12 But after that our fathers had provoked the God of heaven unto wrath, he gave them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, the Chaldean, who destroyed this house, and carried the people away into Babylon.
Ezr 5:13 But in the first year of Cyrus the king of Babylon the same king Cyrus made a decree to build this house of God.
Ezr 5:14 And the vessels also of gold and silver of the house of God, which Nebuchadnezzar took out of the temple that was in Jerusalem, and brought them into the temple of Babylon, those did Cyrus the king take out of the temple of Babylon, and they were delivered unto one, whose name was Sheshbazzar, whom he had made governor;
Ezr 5:15 And said unto him, Take these vessels, go, carry them into the temple that is in Jerusalem, and let the house of God be builded in his place.
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Second Temple Inferior

Ezr 3:11 And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because [he is] good, for his mercy [endureth] for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid.
Ezr 3:12 But many of the priests and Levites and chief of the fathers, [who were] ancient men, that had seen the first house, when the foundation of this house was laid before their eyes, wept with a loud voice; and many shouted aloud for joy:
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Two temples have been built in Jerusalem from the foundation, which means a new foundation for each one. And the Second Temple was nothing like the First in its glory and splendor, as you can read in Ezra 3:12.

The Hebrews are waiting for a new temple to be built, a third temple, of which there is nothing Biblical for it; perhaps you are one of these Hebrews.

But as for the child of God that has been redeemed by grace they have their Temple, the glorious and eternal Temple of the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven.

 

[briancfcf]

what are you going to do with Ezekials temple?

Is not the Lord Jesus Christ the New Testament Temple for the believer?

Jhn 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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The Old Testament prophecies were in regards to and to prepare for New Testament faith. Everything done in the Old Testament was symbolic of what would occur during the New Testament Era. The temple in Ezekiel is not regarding a physical building in the State of Israel.

 

[Old Timer]

So when did revelation 11 happen?

 

[Old Timer]

This is the absurdity of preterism..

How can any Christian with an honest heart read something like revelation 11 and pretend that it happened a long time ago?

How can anyone with an honest heart read about the coming of Christ and Him destroying the man of sin and then pretend that it's something in the past?

Seriously..

 

[Yekcidmij]

If you want to be real technical about it, Herod built the 3rd temple. Josephus tells us he took down the second one.

Josephus, Antiquities 15.11.3

So Herod took away the old foundations, and laid others, and erected the temple upon them,​

I know this doesn't bode well with some versions of eschatology these days, but there it is.

 

[NannaNae]

depends on which allegory you are using with what story..

ok No we or he is not the temple in the sense of us/ or him being his only dwelling place.

so it seems basically you saying that the bride of christ cant be a real city, if we are the bride.. that the church isn't a bride if the city is a bride.. but one is a spiritual identity and the other being a physical promised place..
it clearly states we are a bride and that the city( the city new Jerusalem ) is a bride too.
so
him being a temple
us being a like a temple never negates a future physical temple..
us being like a bride never negates a city or even a real bride for that matter ..

or we are the only temple then the church isn't the bride if new jerusalem is a bride!

sorry no one can have both ways.

what seems clear to me is we are being made and molded into a place for and in his temple ... and for and in his city..

it is molded to us and us to it !

 

[briancfcf]

A newly built third temple within the State of Israel is supposed to be a harbinger for the end times, but there is nothing in the Holy Bible for a third temple.

This is a serious problem because Christians are taught to expect something that is not going to happen...



But Christians today are being taught to expect this...


Some of you may not realize this, but there is only one verse that the Antichrist Translation uses to support this idea of a third temple:


Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (Second Thessalonians 2:4)


Again, this is the only verse and there are no others—one verse...



What they are doing is reading Second Thessalonians 2:4 literally...

This quote is taken from the first post: I think the importance of the message within the first post is being overlooked.

What I am trying to say is that the Apostle Paul is not talking about any temple in the State of Israel. The Apostle Paul always wrote about the New Testament Church, and he is referring to it in Second Thessalonians.

Yes, he is referring to the New Testament Church as the temple, which is the body of believers. So that the "man of sin" enters into the body of believers and corrupts God's Temple before the end of the world.

So there are two things to consider: There are no prophecies for a new temple in the State of Israel, and the Apostle Paul never said anything about a temple in the ancient city of Jerusalem as having any Biblical or Spiritual significance.

Therefore, to teach that a temple in the State of Israel should be the focus for the signs of the end times is wrong. It has everyone looking in the wrong direction for the wrong signs.

There is a New Testament Temple and there is a worldly spiritual man of sin, but you will not find them in the State of Israel, but you will find them in the corporate Church.

 

[OneAccordRM]

A newly built third temple within the State of Israel is supposed to be a harbinger for the end times, but there is nothing in the Holy Bible for a third temple. In the Old Testament there are commands and prophecies from God to build the First and Second Temples, but there is nothing for a third. There are no commands and there are no prophecies for a third temple in the whole of the Holy Bible.




This is a serious problem because Christians are taught to expect something that is not going to happen, and if it should happen then it is not going to have any Biblical significance. And the reason it shall have no Biblical significance is because the LORD never said anything about it.




But Christians today are being taught to expect this and that means there has to be something these religious teachers are using to convince people that a third temple must be built. This teaching comes from the Antichrist Translation, which teaches that some spirit devil man is supposed to conquer and defile a newly built third temple in the State of Israel.



Some of you may not realize this, but there is only one verse that the Antichrist Translation uses to support this idea of a third temple:

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (Second Thessalonians 2:4)
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Again, this is the only verse and there are no others—one verse. Notice that there is no command or prophecy to build a third temple. Notice that neither the word “Israel” nor the word “third” is mentioned in this verse. But it does have the word “temple” within it, and when this verse is cut and pasted into the Antichrist Translation then people wrongly assume that a third temple must be built, and that is a lot of assuming. They are assuming that a third temple must be built so their spirit devil man can defile it—they assume one must be built.




What they are doing is reading Second Thessalonians 2:4 literally, and thinking like a worldly person thinks. They see the word temple in this one verse, and apply it to Old Testament verses and wrongly conclude that a third temple is to be built in the State of Israel. But this conclusion is very far from New Testament truth, so far that it is shameful.




I have better idea for what the temple is. The Apostle Paul wrote Second Thessalonians and he also wrote First Corinthians:


Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are. (First Corinthians 3:16+17)
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Again, the Apostle Paul wrote these three verses, and if we give this a little thought then we should be able to combine them.


[?] Suppose someone walked around town confessing to be a child of God, but continued to live a worldly life, could this person's disobedience be in opposition to God as he exalts himself above what God commands to be done with His temple?




This is the New Testament Era, where life with God is in the Holy Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven. To teach that the New Testament faith has anything to do with the State of Israel is reverting back to Old Testament life, and is blasphemy against all the glorious work that God the Father has completed by, through, and in Christ Jesus His Holy Messiah.




Source from endtimesalert.com

Do you believe the Jews are beloved by God because of the promise to their fathers?

And if not, how do you deal with Pauls testimony?

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This is the absurdity of preterism..

..

Did you ever post on the Christadelphian [they are Historocist] or the CARM forum Preterist board?
Your posts sounds similar to a member on those from awhile back.


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[briancfcf]

Do you believe the Jews are beloved by God because of the promise to their fathers?

And if not, how do you deal with Pauls testimony?

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

I do not understand why you are asking me about the Hebrews? There is nothing about them in my post.

All men are sinners, including Hebrews, which means they are no better, no more righteous, and no more loved by God than other man from any other culture. Because you like to quote the Apostle Paul then perhaps you will listen to him:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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[OneAccordRM]

I do not understand why you are asking me about the Hebrews? There is nothing about them in my post.

All men are sinners, including Hebrews, which means they are no better, no more righteous, and no more loved by God than other man from any other culture. Because you like to quote the Apostle Paul then perhaps you will listen to him:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Are you saying the Jews are not commanded to be circumcised in the heart?

Is it not written?

Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.


If a pre Christ era Jew could have a circumcised heart, why couldnt a modern Jew?

 

[OneAccordRM]

I do not understand why you are asking me about the Hebrews? There is nothing about them in my post.

All men are sinners, including Hebrews, which means they are no better, no more righteous, and no more loved by God than other man from any other culture. Because you like to quote the Apostle Paul then perhaps you will listen to him:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Do you believe the Jews are beloved by God because of the promise to their fathers?

And if not, how do you deal with Pauls testimony?

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[Interplanner]

the real question of rom 11:28,29 is still whether this automatically means something futurist. Does it have to refer to something future? Or was he repeating what he had already said about the past? And, were the things promised to them separate from what was promised to Gentiles, or was he just showing again that the Jews who believed enjoyed what was promised to the fathers?

the three options:
exclude all Jews
include all Jews
include those who believe the Gospel, like Gentiles do.

#3 is the winner. One set of promises for all mankind, one Lord, one faith, one hope, one Gospel, one body.

 

[JLB777]

If you want to be real technical about it, Herod built the 3rd temple. Josephus tells us he took down the second one.

Josephus, Antiquities 15.11.3

So Herod took away the old foundations, and laid others, and erected the temple upon them,
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I know this doesn't bode well with some versions of eschatology these days, but there it is.

Rebuilding the Holy Temple of G-d


Rebuilding the Holy Temple of G‑d

The 2014 Pesach March and Cutting of the Omer From the Fields of Israel

On Pesach (Passover), 17 Nissan 5774 (April 17, 2014), the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement made a Freedom Pilgrimage March to the Holy Temple Mount calling the government of Israel to immediately build the Third Holy Temple of the G‑d of Israel on the same location as the First and Second Holy Temples on the Holy Temple Mount. On April 16th Gershon and three friends cut the Omer from the fields of Israel and brought it as an offering to the G‑d of Israel to the Holy Temple Mount exactly as G‑d commanded us to do.

"And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them, When you are come to the land which I give to you, and shall reap its harvest, then you shall bring an 'omer of the firstfruits' of your harvest to the priest: and he shall wave the 'omer' before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it." Leviticus (23:9-11)
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The Israelis clapped their hands all the way along the Freedom March of the movement.In the Almighty G‑d of Israel We Trust!
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