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Third Temple is a Wrong Teaching
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The third temple folks need to resolve 2P2P before going further. It is a fundamental question of eschatology; that is why I ask it here.
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OneAccordRM
You hated Christ before you hated me.
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"2 peoples, 2 programs is the indispensable pillar of Dispensationalism"--Dr. C. Ryrie, in D'ISM TODAY. It says that the physical descendancy of Israel and the emergence of the church have nothing to do with each other; they never will; they are skew but simultaneous programs of God.
There is nothing at all like that in the NT.
There is nothing at all like that in the NT.
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OneAccordRM
You hated Christ before you hated me.
Dispensationalism is a man made doctrine, as much of the doctrines that support the thousands of denominations around the world are.
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You surprise me. It is also how people get to thinking that modern events in modern Israel are "prophecy fulfillments" because they think there is all this unfinished business God has to do with Israel.
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OneAccordRM
You hated Christ before you hated me.
Nothing happens without God, nothing.
That includes the Jews return to Israel and their military/agricultural prowess.
Dispys just happened to predict it, but anyone with a bible and brain can figure out Israel serves a purpose.
The reality of what Israel is, and what its doing now is there for you to see, if you dont believe in Bible prophecy, Im not sure why you are posting.
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I think it should be fairly obvious that the Israel of today is not the Israel of the bible - there is no connection other than they share the name "Israel." Sharing a name though is hardly cause for equating the two.
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OneAccordRM
You hated Christ before you hated me.
Likewise, the Church of today is not the Church of the Bible that Christ taught it should be.
As is evident by the 56,000 denominations.
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Zec 9:8
And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes.
Zec 9:9
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Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zec 9:10
And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
Zec 9:11
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As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
Zec 9:12
Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee;
Zec 9:13
When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
Zec 9:14
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And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
Zec 9:15
The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.
Zec 9:16
And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
Zec 9:17
For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.
so he came once on a donkey a colt which pointed to this promise of another yet to come day.. .. he did not camp about it YET!
he did not use light or bow or a trumpet.... yet!
And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes.
Zec 9:9
¶
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zec 9:10
And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
Zec 9:11
¶
As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
Zec 9:12
Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee;
Zec 9:13
When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
Zec 9:14
¶
And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
Zec 9:15
The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.
Zec 9:16
And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
Zec 9:17
For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.
so he came once on a donkey a colt which pointed to this promise of another yet to come day.. .. he did not camp about it YET!
he did not use light or bow or a trumpet.... yet!
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OneAccordRM
You hated Christ before you hated me.
Exactly, he came lowly, meek, a servant on a donkey.
Next time, he will come to conquer and destroy with the sword of his mouth, on a white horse as the ruler and one true King of Kings, Lord of Lords.
And its sooner than most are willing to accept
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Zec 9:8
And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes.
Zec 9:9
¶
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zec 9:10
And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
Zec 9:11
¶
As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
Zec 9:12
Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee;
Zec 9:13
When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
Zec 9:14
¶
And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
Zec 9:15
The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.
Zec 9:16
And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
Zec 9:17
For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.
so he came once on a donkey a colt which pointed to this promise of another day that will come ..
he did not camp about it stop people who want to come through it , YET!
he did not use lightening or a bow or a trumpet.... yet!
he did not do all of these yet!
now men are trying to do these things
but that was not him yet!
he came riding the donkey the first time to prove he will do the same the second time.
and he will .
And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes.
Zec 9:9
¶
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zec 9:10
And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
Zec 9:11
¶
As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
Zec 9:12
Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee;
Zec 9:13
When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
Zec 9:14
¶
And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
Zec 9:15
The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.
Zec 9:16
And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
Zec 9:17
For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.
so he came once on a donkey a colt which pointed to this promise of another day that will come ..
he did not camp about it stop people who want to come through it , YET!
he did not use lightening or a bow or a trumpet.... yet!
he did not do all of these yet!
now men are trying to do these things
but that was not him yet!
he came riding the donkey the first time to prove he will do the same the second time.
and he will .
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The Roman Catholics and Orthodox make the same arguementOriginally Posted by OneAccordRM
Likewise, the Church of today is not the Church of the Bible that Christ taught it should be.
As is evident by the 56,000 denominations.
Good point
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OneAccordRM
You hated Christ before you hated me.
Everything.
For example:
To say that Modern Israel and 1st century Israel have anything in common would be like saying 1st century Israel and the Davidic Israel have anything in common.
Time has that affect, but Gods plan is divine.
All prophecy will be fulfilled, as it is written.
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you view it, the OT is filled with prophecy concerning Israel that is yet to be fulfilled, but rest assure, it will be fulfilled. there is no prophecy of the Bible that is not gong to be fulfilled.
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OneAccordRM
You hated Christ before you hated me.
The Roman Catholics and Orthodox make the same arguement
Good point
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The Roman Catholic Church is just a denomination, no different than the rest who fall on the doctrines of men.
Christs church doesnt have a name over the door.
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Interplanter, you remaim stubborn, lol
It is an extreme, sensationalist strain of Acts Two Dispensationalism that makes what it does of modern news events, that it profit as well as it has, from those who so foolishly allow themselves to be taken captive by them through their emotions, at both their will.
Lindsey, and Jeffrey, Van Impe, and their ilk.
The mentality of their market is one of emotionalism. Every event one more meanings satisfying their need to know that God is at work, which they determine through the lusts of their flesh, through what they desire be its proof, as well as through what they feel is said proof. Its all emotion with these countless types.
I don't subscribe to Acts Two Dispensationalism [the Body began on an Israelite feast day, Pentecost] as I am Mid-Acts in my Dispensationalism [the Body began with Paul in Acts 9, 1 Tim. 1:16]. But I do not agree that Acts Two Dispensationalism is behind the sensationalism a few make of it that they might profit from the foolish emotionalism that is the lot of far too many believers regardless of what theology, or perspective they might claim otherwise.
Just goes to show you, Interplanter, apply a very narrow lens to your deductions about these issues.
Can't say I blame you as, clearly, your overall operating perspective was obviously arrived at by you by an induction allowed its conclusion too soon. That you failed to ask, "what else?"
Fact of the matter is, that you are clearly misinderstanding the sense of Paul's "wrath of God is come upon then to the uttermost," 1 Thess. 2:16.
Its actual sense is that of Isaiah 54:8's "In a little wrath I hid my face from thee but for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith thy Redeemer."
It is addressing Israel's having so filled up its sins by Acts 7, that His offer of repentence of their having crucified Christ, togther with His offer to return to them, was withdrawn from THAT generation, as, it was impossible to renew them again to said offer, as He had died unto their sin only once. Their blasphemy against the Spirit in His witness of this from Acts 2-7, an unpardonable sin, Matt. 12:30-32.
But, go ahead, gainsay it. It does not fit your sorely lacking in "what else?" overall operating perspective - that you failingly attempt to understand these things through.
Not M.A.D. at ya, just challenging you to think outside your box - as Moses reminded God concerning what were than only His physical people - He swore an oath to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob concerning this physical people - an everlasting one. Thus, why He is their Redeemer - from their foolishness against, as well from His wiping them out - "Because I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT, ye sons of Jacob are NOT consumed, Mal. 3.
It is an extreme, sensationalist strain of Acts Two Dispensationalism that makes what it does of modern news events, that it profit as well as it has, from those who so foolishly allow themselves to be taken captive by them through their emotions, at both their will.
Lindsey, and Jeffrey, Van Impe, and their ilk.
The mentality of their market is one of emotionalism. Every event one more meanings satisfying their need to know that God is at work, which they determine through the lusts of their flesh, through what they desire be its proof, as well as through what they feel is said proof. Its all emotion with these countless types.
I don't subscribe to Acts Two Dispensationalism [the Body began on an Israelite feast day, Pentecost] as I am Mid-Acts in my Dispensationalism [the Body began with Paul in Acts 9, 1 Tim. 1:16]. But I do not agree that Acts Two Dispensationalism is behind the sensationalism a few make of it that they might profit from the foolish emotionalism that is the lot of far too many believers regardless of what theology, or perspective they might claim otherwise.
Just goes to show you, Interplanter, apply a very narrow lens to your deductions about these issues.
Can't say I blame you as, clearly, your overall operating perspective was obviously arrived at by you by an induction allowed its conclusion too soon. That you failed to ask, "what else?"
Fact of the matter is, that you are clearly misinderstanding the sense of Paul's "wrath of God is come upon then to the uttermost," 1 Thess. 2:16.
Its actual sense is that of Isaiah 54:8's "In a little wrath I hid my face from thee but for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith thy Redeemer."
It is addressing Israel's having so filled up its sins by Acts 7, that His offer of repentence of their having crucified Christ, togther with His offer to return to them, was withdrawn from THAT generation, as, it was impossible to renew them again to said offer, as He had died unto their sin only once. Their blasphemy against the Spirit in His witness of this from Acts 2-7, an unpardonable sin, Matt. 12:30-32.
But, go ahead, gainsay it. It does not fit your sorely lacking in "what else?" overall operating perspective - that you failingly attempt to understand these things through.
Not M.A.D. at ya, just challenging you to think outside your box - as Moses reminded God concerning what were than only His physical people - He swore an oath to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob concerning this physical people - an everlasting one. Thus, why He is their Redeemer - from their foolishness against, as well from His wiping them out - "Because I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT, ye sons of Jacob are NOT consumed, Mal. 3.
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