Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

[Sophrosyne]

Show from the NT where Sunday was kept! You cannot and only make false assertions like the that the Lord's day is Sunday. The Lord's day is the Sabbath - remember Jesus the head of the church? He never kept Sunday not even one time and the resurrection does not count!! He said that the son of man is Lord of the Sabbath day. End of story. The Sabbath is the Lord's day.

I'm sorry but I don't need to defend Sunday being kept.... it is nothing but a red herring because if you cannot defend the keeping of the Sabbath upon Christians then whatever day they keep or NOT keep is MEANINGLESS to your argument. We could "keep" the second Tuesday of each month and it wouldn't help your argument one bit. As for the Lord's Day being the Sabbath that is utter nonsense based not upon how Christians viewed it but a tortured ill conceived notion fabricated by people who treat Bible scriptures like swiss cheese picking out the wholes they like and leaving the rest to rot on the shelf.

 

[Dunbar]

I'm sorry but I don't need to defend Sunday being kept.... it is nothing but a red herring because if you cannot defend the keeping of the Sabbath upon Christians then whatever day they keep or NOT keep is MEANINGLESS to your argument. We could "keep" the second Tuesday of each month and it wouldn't help your argument one bit. As for the Lord's Day being the Sabbath that is utter nonsense based not upon how Christians viewed it but a tortured ill conceived notion fabricated by people who treat Bible scriptures like swiss cheese picking out the wholes they like and leaving the rest to rot on the shelf.

No what's utter nonsense is a pagan festival of sun worship being adopted by the church and passed off as a holy day. The crucifixion is where we were bought and paid for - the cross, remember. Why don't we keep Friday in honor of that? That's the same logic for keeping Sunday.

 

[VictorC]

You have answered nothing that I have posted on like your false belief that the 7th day Sabbath is not part of the creation event. Come on, even a five year old could see that. You hate the Sabbath, just admit it. That's ok because I hate your false sun sabbath too.

Except for the creation event so at least God himself kept it.

You could believe the bible. Have you ever read it?

Is communion a salvational issue? The day of worship is the same whether Sabbath or Sunday. It's just a symbol. It shows who our true master is.

At this writing, you have relied on one verse to suggest the Sabbath had an origin prior to Moses. And yet when read more carefully, it actually proves the Sabbath originated after the seventh day of the creation account, and also after the exodus from Egyptian bondage. You've also discarded numerous Biblical passages that all consistently show the Sabbath originated during the lifetime of Moses and was always the exclusive domain of the children of Israel. Let's see where you stand:

• You haven't provided one single evidence for a creation origin of the Sabbath.
• You can't tell the difference between God's rest and the periodic Sabbath.
• You don't really know anything about the Sabbath.
• You don't really believe the Bible's consistent testimony.
• And as a final insult, your soteriology is dependent on the Sabbath you know nothing about.

Don't forget that you've abandoned several questions stemming from claims you've made, that are so wild there's no hope of supporting them.

 

[Sophrosyne]

No what's utter nonsense is a pagan festival of sun worship being adopted by the church and passed off as a holy day. The crucifixion is where we were bought and paid for - the cross, remember. Why don't we keep Friday in honor of that? That's the same logic for keeping Sunday.

This is absolute rubbish. Using your logic here you are celebrating the pagan festival of Saturn passed off as a holy day. The crucifixion didn't pay for a holy day but a holy existence in Christ. You limit holiness to but one day rejecting any OTHER day as pagan worship... basically spitting on the cross in the effort that Jesus freed us from such thinking that the Law demanded of folks. Nothing but carnality if one demands the Sabbath because in the spirit we can worship any day we please we are NOT under the Law.
Pagan festival.....

 

[Cribstyl]

You could believe the bible. Have you ever read it?

You've introduce a twisted view of history up to Constantine. So where are your facts coming from? The bible proves that Sundays was the day the disciples broke bread in remebrance of Christ and took up communion. Sabbath was the day to go preach the gospel to the Jews. The issue of sabbath is a covenant fulfilled. No need to follow what God never gave the gentiles.

 

[LarryP2]

No what's utter nonsense is a pagan festival of sun worship being adopted by the church and passed off as a holy day. The crucifixion is where we were bought and paid for - the cross, remember. Why don't we keep Friday in honor of that? That's the same logic for keeping Sunday.

What's "utter nonsense" is the ugly dishonest smear that pagans held their "festivals" on Sunday. The biggest modern proponent of this stupid and dishonest idea has recanted:

DID SUNDAY WORSHIP COME FROM PAGANISM?

There is no evidence whatsoever that Pagan Sun Worship had ANYTHING to do with Christians celebrating the Resurrection on Sunday. See page 240 where even Seventh Day Adventist Sabbath Scholar - who desperately wanted to find such a connection - conceded there was NO connection:

http://www.churchathome.org/pdf/From Sabbath to Sunday-samuele bacchiocchi.pdf

Here is a complete list of all of the Roman holidays, NONE of which were celebrated weekly, let alone on Sundays like the Sabbatarians have been lying about so many years:
Roman Pagan Holidays - Roman Pagan Festivals

ALL of the arguments for Sabbatarianism are whopping lies. It is a great big stinking pile of heretical lies. The only reasonable explanation is the Apostles immediately abandoned Sabbath Keeping on Resurrection morning and NEVER even attempted to persuade Gentile Christian converts to practice the Jewish rite (they couldn't: The penalty of a Gentile trying to keep the Sabbath was a trial before the Sanhedrin and death). There is a total and complete absence of ANY Gentile keeping the Sabbath in the Bible! The message in Acts 15 could not be clearer: Gentile Christian converts would follow just 4 of the Noahide Commandments and NONE of the Mosaic Laws. The Epistles later condemned the sporadic attempts by "Judaizers" to revive the dead and moldy practice. Even Bacchiochi concedes that abandonment of the Sabbath by Jewish Christian converts was universal by 135 AD.

 

[Cribstyl]

No what's utter nonsense is a pagan festival of sun worship being adopted by the church and passed off as a holy day. The crucifixion is where we were bought and paid for - the cross, remember. Why don't we keep Friday in honor of that? That's the same logic for keeping Sunday.

It must be news to you that Christians kept Sunday to worship from the day of the resurrection?

It must be news to you that the gospel is not about the law.

Gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[Dunbar]

At this writing, you have relied on one verse to suggest the Sabbath had an origin prior to Moses.

If you cannot see that the 7th day Sabbath goes back to creation as a memorial of the event then I cannot help you.

 

[Dunbar]

This is absolute rubbish. Using your logic here you are celebrating the pagan festival of Saturn passed off as a holy day. The crucifixion didn't pay for a holy day but a holy existence in Christ. You limit holiness to but one day rejecting any OTHER day as pagan worship... basically spitting on the cross in the effort that Jesus freed us from such thinking that the Law demanded of folks. Nothing but carnality if one demands the Sabbath because in the spirit we can worship any day we please we are NOT under the Law.
Pagan festival.....

Spitting on the cross, come on. You should not keep the Sabbath because of your prejudice and bias. Sunday is the best place for you.

 

[Dunbar]

ALL of the arguments for Sabbatarianism are whopping lies. It is a great big stinking pile of heretical lies. The only reasonable explanation is the Apostles immediately abandoned Sabbath Keeping on Resurrection morning and NEVER even attempted to persuade Gentile Christian converts to practice the Jewish rite (they couldn't: The penalty of a Gentile trying to keep the Sabbath was a trial before the Sanhedrin and death). There is a total and complete absence of ANY Gentile keeping the Sabbath in the Bible! The message in Acts 15 could not be clearer: Gentile Christian converts would follow just 4 of the Noahide Commandments and NONE of the Mosaic Laws. The Epistles later condemned the sporadic attempts by "Judaizers" to revive the dead and moldy practice. Even Bacchiochi concedes that abandonment of the Sabbath by Jewish Christian converts was universal by 135 AD.

No they are not lies, brother. They are truth which you hate. The gospel is the life, death and resurrection of Christ not just the resurrection!

I have a great idea! We will keep Friday, Saturday and Sunday! We can cover the whole event that way.

 

[Frogster]

No what's utter nonsense is a pagan festival of sun worship being adopted by the church and passed off as a holy day. The crucifixion is where we were bought and paid for - the cross, remember. Why don't we keep Friday in honor of that? That's the same logic for keeping Sunday.

Forgive me, I only ask out of curiousity, but you have a Baptist icon, an icon that normally does bot promote works salvation. Please advise, I am just trying to figure this out.

 

[Frogster]

If you cannot see that the 7th day Sabbath goes back to creation as a memorial of the event then I cannot help you.

the law came at sinai, as per stephen, paul, neh, david, moses, and whomever you think wrote hebrews. so the last word on the day, was the law, you can't ignore salvation history.

 

[Frogster]

No they are not lies, brother. They are truth which you hate. The gospel is the life, death and resurrection of Christ not just the resurrection!

I have a great idea! We will keep Friday, Saturday and Sunday! We can cover the whole event that way.

how about monday?

 

[LarryP2]

No they are not lies, brother. They are truth which you hate. The gospel is the life, death and resurrection of Christ not just the resurrection!

I have a great idea! We will keep Friday, Saturday and Sunday! We can cover the whole event that way.

Please respond to the total and complete rejection that Pagan sun worship had ANYTHING to do with Christians adopting Sunday worship. Pagans did not have Sunday festivals or celebrate Sunday! The Roman festivals are outlined above. NONE of them have ANYTHING to do with Sunday.

That is precisely the vicious, smarmy, dishonest, unhistorical lies that Sabbatarianism is based on.

There is EVERY bit as much truth that the Sabbath is celebrated in honor of Saturn or Wicca witchcraft:

Witches' Sabbath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Wiccan Sabbats, or Holy Days | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Wiccan Holidays, Sabbats, & Rituals * Wicca-Spirituality.com

The argument that Sunday worship has ANYTHING to do with Pagan Sun worship is just a filthy, smarmy lie from the evil false prophet of Seventh Day Adventism:

What's "utter nonsense" is the ugly dishonest smear that pagans held their "festivals" on Sunday. The biggest modern proponent of this stupid and dishonest idea has recanted:

DID SUNDAY WORSHIP COME FROM PAGANISM?

There is no evidence whatsoever that Pagan Sun Worship had ANYTHING to do with Christians celebrating the Resurrection on Sunday. See page 240 where even Seventh Day Adventist Sabbath Scholar - who desperately wanted to find such a connection - conceded there was NO connection:

http://www.churchathome.org/pdf/From Sabbath to Sunday-samuele bacchiocchi.pdf

Here is a complete list of all of the Roman holidays, NONE of which were celebrated weekly, let alone on Sundays like the Sabbatarians have been lying about so many years:
Roman Pagan Holidays - Roman Pagan Festivals

ALL of the arguments for Sabbatarianism are whopping lies. It is a great big stinking pile of heretical lies. The only reasonable explanation is the Apostles immediately abandoned Sabbath Keeping on Resurrection morning and NEVER even attempted to persuade Gentile Christian converts to practice the Jewish rite (they couldn't: The penalty of a Gentile trying to keep the Sabbath was a trial before the Sanhedrin and death). There is a total and complete absence of ANY Gentile keeping the Sabbath in the Bible! The message in Acts 15 could not be clearer: Gentile Christian converts would follow just 4 of the Noahide Commandments and NONE of the Mosaic Laws. The Epistles later condemned the sporadic attempts by "Judaizers" to revive the dead and moldy practice. Even Bacchiochi concedes that abandonment of the Sabbath by Jewish Christian converts was universal by 135 AD.

 

[Frogster]

Show from the NT where Sunday was kept! You cannot and only make false assertions like the that the Lord's day is Sunday. The Lord's day is the Sabbath - remember Jesus the head of the church? He never kept Sunday not even one time and the resurrection does not count!! He said that the son of man is Lord of the Sabbath day. End of story. The Sabbath is the Lord's day.

oh come on, even the bible that sabby keeping mj people like, shows sabby as sunday, here...

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
1 cor 16:2 On every Sunday, let each person of you lay aside in his house and keep that which he can, so that when I come there will be no collections.

 

[Frogster]

Except for the creation event so at least God himself kept it.

would God be stoned for working on it, like the guy in numbers 15? should we be stoned for working on it?

lets keep the whole law...

 

[Frogster]

The 7th day Sabbath has nothing to do with Salvation. We are saved by the life, death and resurrection of Christ. The day is a commemoration no different than the Lord's supper or baptism. All are symbols of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

then do the other 9 have to do with salvation?

 

[Frogster]

I disagree. I think the patriarchs offered sacrifice which very little is said about. I also think they observed the 7th day which very little is said about. But even if they did not, I don't have a problem with it. The Israelites did not keep the 7th day or any day for 400 years in Egyptian slavery. It's not a deal breaker. God works with what he has.

and the sacrifice book of hebrews, says the old cov is abolished, and the 10 were a part of the old cov, deut 4:13, Lev26;15, all of the laws were integral to the old cov.

It is all over now...

 

[Frogster]

paul said eat everything in the corinth meat market in 1 cor 10, that stuff had blood, it was idol meat, strangled, unclean, it was to be eaten, and they could if they wanted to eat in the idol temples, same thing, eat the food that went against noahide laws in 1 cor 8.

 

[VictorC]

At this writing, you have relied on one verse to suggest the Sabbath had an origin prior to Moses. And yet when read more carefully, it actually proves the Sabbath originated after the seventh day of the creation account, and also after the exodus from Egyptian bondage. You've also discarded numerous Biblical passages that all consistently show the Sabbath originated during the lifetime of Moses and was always the exclusive domain of the children of Israel. Let's see where you stand:

• You haven't provided one single evidence for a creation origin of the Sabbath.
• You can't tell the difference between God's rest and the periodic Sabbath.
• You don't really know anything about the Sabbath.
• You don't really believe the Bible's consistent testimony.
• And as a final insult, your soteriology is dependent on the Sabbath you know nothing about.

Don't forget that you've abandoned several questions stemming from claims you've made, that are so wild there's no hope of supporting them.

If you cannot see that the 7th day Sabbath goes back to creation as a memorial of the event then I cannot help you.

Of course you can't help me! You've been making up a fairy tale you can't find Biblical support for!