They won't build it! Hardhats vow not to work on controversial mosque

[bricklayer]

They should build it in the shape of a big middle-finger.

 

[Lockguy3000]

yes we should take down all religious sites in NYC,
because they are built on Native American Holy sites.

there I said it

 

[Skaloop]

They should build it in the shape of a big middle-finger.

You mean the shape of a hand giving the middle finger. Because just being in the shape of a middle finger alone would be pretty much any tower/skyscraper ever built.

 

[mcswan]

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[SOAD]

I find the reactions of conservatives, myself included here, are not knee-jerk at all, but are well thought out, based on principles and facts. It's you liberals who seem to have a playbook you open up and thumb through the pages of to find what your opinions should be. What is your opinion?..."Wait a minute, I'll check with Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews and get right back to you!"

One of the things I find most disturbing is that you think you can frame an issue in such a way as to close off all discussion: 'We liberals think affirmative action is good, so if you disagree you're a racist bigot and should be shouted down', 'we liberals think that the mosque should be built near ground zero, so if you disagree you're an ignorant bigot and should be shouted down.' So, you frame an issue in such a way that you expect us conservatives to then go all defensive, trying to prove we're not mean-spirited, and begging for your approval. I'm not interested in your approval: get over yourself! I've learned through years of experience that liberals are very nearly pathological in their beliefs, inherently incapable of independent thought, and the most intolerant of any group of people around.

Oh, and did I mention, completely devoid of true compassion, being practically genetically unable to recognize that there is a difference between supportive behavior and enabling behavior? You go through life creating one moral hazard after another, and end up puzzled about the social wreckage you've left behind. Let me correct that; not so much puzzled, but unwilling to accept your own responsibility, making a "knee jerk" reaction to blame conservatives.

What is it with you guys? Was your intellectual maturity retarded at about age 12? Was it Churchill who said (paraphrasing here) "If at age twenty you're not a liberal, you have no heart; if you're at age forty you're not a conservative, you have no brain." Good man, Churchill!

I am against afirmative action Your comparison failled, not to mention irrelevant to the topic.

Why do you hate Muslims?

 

[bricklayer]

Hate muslims, NO
Fear islam, see post 98

 

[SOAD]

Be afraid, be very afraid

 

[katherine2001]

I'm onlt half aware of the situation over there, but from what I've heard, it's similar people who support guns so vehemently that are the most against this mosque. So what, they just pick and choose which parts of the Constitution they like the most?

Unfortunately, at least some of them are trying to! They want to repeal (or at least change) the 14th Amendment so that all babies born here in the US are not automatically US citizens, and some would like to change the freedom of religion clause to discriminate against certain faiths (Muslim). It seems to me that if we do these things, then the terrorists won on 9/11.

 

[Skaloop]

Just for lulz.

 

[Skaloop]

Unfortunately, at least some of them are trying to! They want to repeal (or at least change) the 14th Amendment so that all babies born here in the US are not automatically US citizens, and some would like to change the freedom of religion clause to discriminate against certain faiths (Muslim). It seems to me that if we do these things, then the terrorists won on 9/11.

Exactly. The terrorists don't like America. So changing what America is (a nation that allows free expression of religion, specifically) plays right into their hands.

It's funny (in a sad way, not a ha-ha way) that people opposed to an attack on American values are themselves attacking American values.

 

[Skaloop]

Just for lulz.

OK, I think something might be wrong with my video posting. How exactly does one post a video here, in a way that will not screw anything up?

 

[armyman_83]

As much complaining as people make about unemployment and they refuse to work for what reason, other than bigotry and ignorance.

If they don't want to work on it--its their choice. Thank God they can make such a choice to not support a building they find goes against their religious beliefs. I would never willingly help build a mosque. I am sure no one would blame you for not wanting to build a church.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

Seeing how the idea of a community centre two blocks away. was twisted into a mosque at ground zero in the hole where the towers stood.

I am going to call it and say the terrorists won. If they strike fear into the hearts of americans so much that americans will lash out at anything and everything that reminds them of that day the terror got in there good.

If you just shrugged your shoulders at the idea, THAT would show the power of the american people, to take a blow and walk away stronger and unafraid of the world regardless. Able to focus their attention on the things that truely matter.

 

[mcswan]

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[Beechwell]

We have religious freedom in America, and a religious organization can develop it's privately owned property as it sees fits consistent with controlling "land use" and "zoning" regulations. People who object to such development have a right to be speak and be heard. This the conservative position based on principle and fact.

We have religious freedom in America, and a religious organization can develop it's privately owned property as it sees fits consistent with controlling "land use" and "zoning" regulations. People who object to such development are ignorant bigots and should be shouted down. This the liberal position based on feelings and stereotypes.

How about they are bigots who have a right to speak and be heard. Or do bigots not enjoy the right to speak in the US?

Seriously, try to distinguish between the legal issue (right to speak) and the moral one (is it a good thing to impede freedom of religion based on irrational feelings about muslims?).
They are not the same.

 

[SOAD]

As to affirmative action. It was an example of framing an issue. If you prefer I'll offer another.

As to why I hate Muslims. I don't hate Muslims.

The point I've tried to make throughout this thread and related others - not always successfully it seems - can be summed up as follows, modified to respond to your accusation of feeeeeeeeelings.

We have religious freedom in America, and a religious organization can develop it's privately owned property as it sees fits consistent with controlling "land use" and "zoning" regulations. People who object to such development have a right to be speak and be heard. This the conservative position based on principle and fact.

We have religious freedom in America, and a religious organization can develop it's privately owned property as it sees fits consistent with controlling "land use" and "zoning" regulations. People who object to such development are ignorant bigots and should be shouted down. This the liberal position based on feelings and stereotypes.

Apparently, you care little with why workers refuse to build, and more with others (like me) asking for valid reasons why they should avoid the work. Please answer this, why wont the construction workers work on the building, and why do you support their refusal? Instead of emotionally charged rhetoric, please give a few legal reasons why the Cordova House should not be erected 2 blocks from where the twin towers stood.

 

[mcswan]

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[mcswan]

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[TheDag]

I'm gonna say it, I can't be the only one thinking.

The horrors committed in the name of Christianity,
were done in contrast to the nature of Christ.

The horrors committed in the name of islam,
were committed in concert with the nature of mohamad.

Islam may well have morphed, over the centuries, into something that mohamad would never tolerate
-- a tolerent and peaceful religion --
but I'm just affraid that it will eventually return to what mohamad intended it to be.

There, I said it.

and what is your source for that claim? Please don't include biased western media who are only in business for money and therefore need the best possible headlines. I will admit there are extremists who do terrible things. Sept 11 was one of them. However that is not the norm. Do people realise that where islam is now with many of its beliefs is exactly where christianity was about 300 years ago.

 

[TheDag]

Every jihadist in the world will view it as a mosque. They all will celebrate if it is built on ground zero and everyone knows it.

Some people view God as a genocidal mass murderer and think christians are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites who wouldn't know what it is to love and don't have a caring bone in their body. Because people believe that does that mean that is what you are and that is the kind of God you follow and worship? If not why do you hold a position using that argument?

My, my! Nice thought: a little long on nastiness and a little short on thoughtfulness, but a nice enlightened liberal rant nonetheless.

Actually not everyone shares your view. Note this article headline from gaypatriot.net "Guess Mrs. Pelosi Will Want To Investigate Miss USA!", Miss USA being an intelligent, beautiful young Muslim who thinks the mosque should not be built near ground zero.
GayPatriot » Guess Mrs. Pelosi Will Want to Investigate Miss USA

using Miss USA contestants as a good source is not real useful. We have seen recently just how politically correct they must be or they get stripped of their title/crown which can ruin their shot at hitting the big time. So while this lady may be giving her honest opinion we really can't tell.