They tried to exorcise me for being schizophrenic!!!

[NBB]

To an uninformed observer mental illness can seem terrifying. No wonder they attributed it to demons.

Sorry but you are the uninformed if you think mental illnes can't have demonic roots.

 

[JackRT]

Sorry but you are the uninformed if you think mental illnes can't have demonic roots.

Two thousand years ago almost every ailment was attributed to demonic possession. Today we know the true nature of these demons --- they go by various names like bacteria, virus, pathogen, chemical imbalance ........... Most of them can now be effectively treated without prayer or exorcism.

 

[NBB]

Two thousand years ago almost every ailment was attributed to demonic possession. Today we know the true nature of these demons --- they go by various names like bacteria, virus, pathogen, chemical imbalance ........... Most of them can now be effectively treated without prayer or exorcism.

Wrong... a lot of mental ailments and spiritual sufferings that man get are demonic, you should know.

 

[NBB]

Two thousand years ago almost every ailment was attributed to demonic possession. Today we know the true nature of these demons --- they go by various names like bacteria, virus, pathogen, chemical imbalance ........... Most of them can now be effectively treated without prayer or exorcism.

If you believe in God, all it takes is to believe the devil also exists which believing in God is not far fetched and that we have an spiritual realm or world, which we also have a spirit that can be affected by God or the devil.

 

[JackRT]

Wrong... a lot of mental ailments and spiritual sufferings that man get are demonic, you should know.

I have been a Christian for 75 years and a scientist for about 50. I do not know that at all.

 

[NBB]

I have been a Christian for 75 years and a scientist for about 50. I do not know that at all.

This world is in bad shape, you think man alone has the ability to be that evil?

 

[JackRT]

This world is in bad shape, you think man alone has the ability to be that evil?

Absolutely. I am quite aware of my failings, my evil, and it is mine and mine alone --- I do not need a demon or devil to pass the blame along to. The blame is mine and mine alone.

 

[NBB]

Absolutely. I am quite aware of my failings, my evil, and it is mine and mine alone --- I do not need a demon or devil to pass the blame along to. The blame is mine and mine alone.

The enemy just wants people to sin and sink, and they work on that. They can get people sick too, mental or not. Its not childish or ignorant, ignoring totally the enemy is bad for a christian. Specially if you get closer to God and the holy spirit, is expected for the devil to attack and do something, he just doesn't like that.

 

[JackRT]

The enemy just wants people to sin and sink, and they work on that. They can get people sick too, mental or not. Its not childish or ignorant, ignoring totally the enemy is bad for a christian. Specially if you get closer to God and the holy spirit, is expected for the devil to attack and do something, he just doesn't like that.

I don't pass the blame --- the enemy is me.

"I have met the enemy and he is us "
~~~ Pogo

 

[Roseonathorn]

Don't be surprised if you have a demon or two, is not to be alarmed, i think almost everyone has a spiritual problem of some kind, its just we don't know about them, now about the exorcism or deliverance they tried to do, it would be nice if someone who can actually discern spirits and detect them would do them, not just being awkard and do deliverance because you might have some problems.

But i tell you, it would be good if any new christian, or not so new christian could get deliverance, sometimes we drag spiritual problems we do not even know.

Well, That which I think people find scary is when someone goes to get some prayer and then the gang of christians kind of jump on that person without explaining much - most for their own fondness of action. Starts to extort - I remember once I went for prayer and I had a calm moment with the Lord, I indeed felt close to the Holy Spirit but then a man approached that I immediatedly felt that no, I did not want his hands on my body for I felt He did not have a 100% pure intention. I told the Lord about my concern and also that I felt I was in no position to make such a rude statement or accusation to him because He was holding some kind of position in church and I told the Lord to take care of the problem. Well the man did put His hand on my head, to pray, but like struck of lightning he flew across the room a few metres and started to laugh uncontrollable. I really did nothing special but later He told me I was not accepting the power of the Holy Spirit, oh well, I think maybe He got a little piece of God too but some don’t always understand that one can act normal while having a little friendly chat with God. Now, I don’t think people that aren’t christians are so behind that they do not understand explaining things so if christians explained more I think it would be a good thing for all. God is still God after all. It is not we humans that act as Gods or it should not be that way. If someone has a spiritual problem it does not need to be driven out by yelling and screaming for ten minutes, neither did Jesus act like that if You read Your bibles.

 

[anx66]

I'm sorry that you experienced such treatment. It's all to do with stigma and Christians seeing strange behaviour as some sort of demon possession. Mental health issues are generally caused by problems with the brain, just as sufferers of Alzheimers have a problem with their brain. Now, all illness can be stripped back, and blamed on the devil. This is unimportant though. People with Schizophrenia etc, need meds, therapy etc. as well as prayer. But, certainly not deliverance. Do, you go up to a person with a cold and deliver them, or a person with dementia ... no you don't. People need to learn that Schizophrenia is like any other illness, only the organ affected is the brain.

 

[anx66]

Healing is needed not deliverance.

 

[anx66]

Sorry but you are the uninformed if you think mental illnes can't have demonic roots.

Do you think she needs deliverance from an organic condition? Do you deliver people from a cold, the flu, dementia. No, I think that Jesus does heal, but not always. People eventually die of an illness ... this illness will not have been healed.

 

[New Birth]

Not sure why this is still an open thread. The originator hasnt posted in months and said herself "I don't want to cure my schizophrenia". If it were or were not a spiritual issue she has made her decision to keep it.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Sorry but you are the uninformed if you think mental illnes can't have demonic roots.

So what do You suggest should be done in todays society where so many psychologists chategorize people and put labels on humanity. When a couple get sad angry or tired of each other or someone cheat or get tempted by the opposite sex as people have done in all history or when youth start fights or siblings argue or people are jeallous -it has been called human behaviour, fallen nature, Adams nature or natures law - but lately something happened... the ”zombiepill” came that made people obese and suppressed their feelings, so they feel less sadness or happyness, the risks of not being in touch with oneself is that one looses interest in God too and gets a package thinking eat sleap watch internet, this human weaknesses or fallen nature is not called that anymore, it is cathegorized and diagnosed and sooner or later medicated. Now many people get diagnosises and medical companies get richer - some people have good hearing, smell and can feel a lot and they too get labelled... and do not think you are cleared because you might be perfect or a boss. Then you might belong to one of those worst chategories. Those that not even medicine can treat. But basically everyone around you has to see a schrink. See everyone has more or less gifts and weaknessess. Get used to it.

 

[NBB]

Hey calm down everyone, i just say spiritual demonic problems are more common than people realize, i'm not even saying her schizoprhenia is demonic either.

 

[NBB]

So what do You suggest should be done in todays society where so many psychologists chategorize people and put labels on humanity. When a couple get sad angry or tired of each other or someone cheat or get tempted by the opposite sex as people have done in all history or when youth start fights or siblings argue or people are jeallous -it has been called human behaviour, fallen nature, Adams nature or natures law - but lately something happened... the ”zombiepill” came that made people obese and suppressed their feelings, so they feel less sadness or happyness, the risks of not being in touch with oneself is that one looses interest in God too and gets a package thinking eat sleap watch internet, this human weaknesses or fallen nature is not called that anymore, it is cathegorized and diagnosed and sooner or later medicated. Now many people get diagnosises and medical companies get richer - some people have good hearing, smell and can feel a lot and they too get labelled... and do not think you are cleared because you might be perfect or a boss. Then you might belong to one of those worst chategories. Those that not even medicine can treat. But basically everyone around you has to see a schrink. See everyone has more or less gifts and weaknessess. Get used to it.

God has freed me of traumautic spiritual problems i dragged from when i was a little kid, and i expect God is going to do more on me,
i know now that a lot of people that don't know God are trapped in the devil hands with spiritual problems only Jesus can resolve. And this realization is a little scary and shocking we are helpless without God.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Sorry but you are the uninformed if you think mental illnes can't have demonic roots.

Tell me one thing that can not have demonic roots in this world. See every authenthic thing has thousands of evil copies and those can actually be demonic too, but we cannot live like we are constantly concentrating on evil. Even false Jesuses will arise, false angels etc. There are many evil roots in this world but God is known to use willing weaker obedient people that does not look like much in this world. He does so because He is God, because those peoples egos is perhaps not so much shadowing his glory. Because they are not being noticed much then He can use them for the work he has in mind for them and he can use others for other things but sometimes we are so busy planning our own lives that we forget listening to what God wants with us as a whole.

 

[NBB]

Tell me one thing that can not have demonic roots in this world. See every authenthic thing has thousands of evil copies and those can actually be demonic too, but we cannot live like we are constantly concentrating on evil. Even false Jesuses will arise, false angels etc. There are many evil roots in this world but God is known to use willing weaker obedient people that does not look like much in this world. He does so because He is God, because those peoples egos is perhaps not so much shadowing his glory. Because they are not being noticed much then He can use them for the work he has in mind for them and he can use others for other things but sometimes we are so busy planning our own lives that we forget listening to what God wants with us as a whole.

I just say that we should be aware, saying we can end concentrating on evil is taking it to the extreme. The bible talks we are fighting with devils etc. And people without God can accumulate spiritual problems over the years that after converting need to be resolved, demonic or not there are problems drugs can't cure.

 

[Roseonathorn]

God has freed me of traumautic spiritual problems i dragged from when i was a little kid, and i expect God is going to do more on me,
i know now that a lot of people that don't know God are trapped in the devil hands with spiritual problems only Jesus can resolve. And this realization is a little scary and shocking we are helpless without God.

Well good for you, but stigmatizing people that has certain diagnosises that doctors say can live a normal life within society does in fact lead to situations were people get terrorized by religious people that hold views that ” certain diseases in people means they are demonised and not fit for life with the living” an authorityposition in church or in society that their lives become torture in many ways. They do anything to take away everything they hold dear. Even today. Some think the 50s was a good time. But the way we treat certain diseases now makes life more worth living for the patient. Imagine if you had to be sterilized, lie belted in a bed, be lobotomized ( a hole in the head) get electrical chocks if you asked too much, like if you were thirsty in the night, if they took your kids away, if they brainwashed your husband into thinking you were never going to be a real human because they were not treating you like one. If you had to work without payment for years in your little prisonlike caring hospice. And you also had to smile and look happy much of the time since if you cried it meant that you were depressed and had an angerproblem needed to be sedated for a long time.