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So? Is there some compelling reason why it must not be?This would fall under the idea of matter being eternal.
It would violate the laws of thermodynamics - hence the subject of the post. So if you are going to violate all the known laws of physics to reject God, you might as well accept Him instead, since he is beyond those laws.....So? Is there some compelling reason why it must not be?
That's why a priest proposed the Big Bang that they follow religiously..... Big Bangers are more dogmatic than creationists.....
If matter and energy are not eternal, then creation must be true.
The material exists now but it has not always existed. It therefore arose from something non-material.
Of course, had he said he was basing it on his religious beliefs that God “stretched out the heavens” expansion and the BB would never have been accepted.... Instead we would be living in a static universe....You forgot to mention that this priest was a physicist working at a university, who developed his theory in context of his work in physics.
But hey, whatever you can use to muddy the waters I guess.
But hey, whatever you need to muddy the waters.Perhaps, perhaps not.
Either way, neither leads to your god of choice.
BTW, just noticed you never answered the problem.Are we an Electric Universe person?
That's nice. But of course I don't see what that has to do with the universe having a possible beginning and its implications on faith.
But you DID get to invoke PLASMA, so kudos!
How is eternal matter a violation of the laws of thermodynamics?It would violate the laws of thermodynamics - hence the subject of the post. So if you are going to violate all the known laws of physics to reject God, you might as well accept Him instead, since he is beyond those laws.....
So? Is there some compelling reason why it must not be?
Doesn't follow.
Perhaps, perhaps not.
Either way, neither leads to your god of choice.
Perpetual motion or perpetual energy without a source of input are forbidden.How is eternal matter a violation of the laws of thermodynamics?
Agreed, we then start deciding which is the most logical.Creation is meant very broadly here. Simply the idea that matter arose from something outside of the material. It does follow.
It does not necessarily lead to theism but it does suggest creation which certainly fits with theism.
But entropy is not a decrease in net energy.Perpetual motion or perpetual energy without a source of input are forbidden.
That’s why we see matter decay. Granted, some may take billions of years, but decaying to lower and lower energy states they are regardless.
If matter was eternal then we would not observe decay.
But entropy is not a decrease in net energy.
So? There's still no loss of net energy.No, but an infinite amount of entropy would result in a universal "heat death".
So? There's still no loss of net energy.
Well your point would stand if the claim was: "the universe is eternal". As you say, we should expect to already be in heat-death.Well, think about it. If matter and energy are eternal, this means that we've already had an infinite amount of entropy. But an infinite amount of entropy would yield an energy same-ness all across the universe which would look very different from the universe that we inhabit today.
Since the universe in its current state is not the result of an infinite amount of entropy, it means that matter has not existed for an infinite amount of time. Therefore, matter is not eternal.
I may be posting this in the wrong place. I don't know if it belongs here or in Christian Apologetics. Either way, I believe the subject is both scientific and apologetical.
Let me first say that I am not a physicist nor a scientist. I'm a theologian. So I'm very much a pedestrian when it comes to scientific matters. But from what I understand of thermodynamics (which is not a lot), it appears to me to suggest creation.
By "creation", I mean the idea that the material world had a beginning and that matter and energy are not eternal. Philosophically speaking, either the material world had a beginning and something outside of the material brought it into being (creation) OR the material world is eternal (materialism).
The first law of thermodynamics says that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only transferred.
The second law of thermodynamics is basically the notion of entropy - that the physical universe is tending toward a heat sameness and will ultimately result in a heat death. Currently, energy is concentrated in particular locales in the universe (stars, for example). But the trend is toward this energy being dispersed equivocally to every locale, resulting in a "heat death".
So if new energy cannot be created and all energy is currently being dispersed, the material world cannot be eternal. If it were eternal, then "heat death" would have occurred a long time ago. This suggests that the material world had a beginning, which is the same thing as suggesting creation.
Well your point would stand if the claim was: "the universe is eternal". As you say, we should expect to already be in heat-death.
But that different from: "matter is eternal". The matter we see may have had an existence prior to the big bang. We dont know. So it could be eternal.
All energy is not being dispersed. I can make my bed, which requires accumulation of gravitational potential energy into my pillow when i pick it up and sit it on the bed.
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