there is no rapture!

[jaxxman]

I want to tell this board that I have had a revelation from God saying that we(north americans) will be gathered in NY state in just after the Abomination of Desolation. if you have been to NY state it is a real wilderness and there is fresh water lakes and rivers. here we will be protected from the evil one. at the end angels will airlift us to the wedding.

 

[brother daniel]

I want to tell this board that I have had a revelation from God saying that we(north americans) will be gathered in NY state in just after the Abomination of Desolation. if you have been to NY state it is a real wilderness and there is fresh water lakes and rivers. here we will be protected from the evil one. at the end angels will airlift us to the wedding.

Beloved,
I am living in a little hut on 40 lovely wooded acres in Bethel, New York.

Any disciple of Jesus Christ who would like to REST and PRAY is welcome to our year round, all weather camp.

This camp is for disciples who have counted the cost and are singleminded about serving him.

I spend a lot of time clearing trails and burning fallen wood.

For those who have no money I ask only for 2 hours of your time helping pick up sticks and gather firewood for each day you stay.

I am located 300 yards from the CITGO service station at 17b and Royce Road.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[gwynedd1]

I want to tell this board that I have had a revelation from God saying that we(north americans) will be gathered in NY state in just after the Abomination of Desolation. if you have been to NY state it is a real wilderness and there is fresh water lakes and rivers. here we will be protected from the evil one. at the end angels will airlift us to the wedding.

There is no Abomination of Desolation either my brother. God's kingdom does not dwell in a place that may be corrupted. That has long passed. Do not watch for such things as an abomination of a covenant or a peace treaty. I am concened about the the world economic system. Look for our latter days in Revelation perhaps but Daniel is fulfilled.


Please consider.

1: The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley; it was full of bones.
2: And he led me round among them; and behold, there were very many upon the valley; and lo, they were very dry.
3: And he said to me, "Son of man, can these bones live?" And I answered, "O Lord GOD, thou knowest."
4: Again he said to me, "Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
5: Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live.
6: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the LORD."

[qoute]
Matthew 27

50: And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
51: And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split;
52: the tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,
53: and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54: When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe, and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"
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[OhhJim]

I want to tell this board that I have had a revelation from God saying that we(north americans) will be gathered in NY state in just after the Abomination of Desolation. if you have been to NY state it is a real wilderness and there is fresh water lakes and rivers. here we will be protected from the evil one. at the end angels will airlift us to the wedding.

Did God tell you when this would happen? Because, you know, if it's not until 2087, I probably won't be alive, and don't need to make plans.

 

[brother daniel]

There is no Abomination of Desolation either my brother.

Beloved brother gwynedd,
You are arguing with Jesus.
This has not yet happened.
Mat 24:15

¶​

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Dan 11:31

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And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:33

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And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, [many] days.
Dan 11:35

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And [some] of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make [them] white, [even] to the time of the end: because [it is] yet for a time appointed.
Mat 24:20

​

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21

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For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22

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And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:24

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For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:32

¶​

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:

[qoute]
Matthew 27
50: And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
51: And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split;
52: the tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,
53: and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54: When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe, and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"
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Dear brother
This does not fullfill Daniel or Matthew.

God's kingdom does not dwell in a place that may be corrupted.

Gods kingdom dwells in HIS WORD within us.

Many are falling away from his kingdom and betraying the covenent of Jesus Christ for the sake of money and power.

That has long passed. Do not watch for such things as an abomination of a covenant or a peace treaty.

It wont be long, You will see the Abomination and covenent in a very short time unless you have a sudden death or are aged. I do not predict the day or hour but I am on alert as is many brethren worldwide.

I am concened about the the world economic system. Look for our latter days in Revelation perhaps but Daniel is fulfilled.
Please consider.

I have considered and warn the brethren that the economic conditation and war on terror is to bring in the
New global banking and police system with the MARK OF THE BEAST, and the name and number of the MAN OF SIN, THE SON OF PERDITION.

And you might do well to read Isaiah in light of what is going on in these last days.

OhhJim is likely to see all this in spite of his scoffing.

Also keep an eye on Javier Solana and the NATO, UN, EU, Rapid Response Team He is an anti Christ Marxist, like Robert Oppenheimer and his brother Frank. Solana is the voice of World Atomic Energy.

That is an ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLITE.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[gwynedd1]

Beloved brother gwynedd,
You are arguing with Jesus.
This has not yet happened.
Mat 24:15

¶​

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

In Jesus' time this had happened once under the Selecuid Antiocus Epiphanies. I the time after Jesus this happed just as Daniel had said. "and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate" . Note carefully the "wing." What is the Roman Ensign of a Legion ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquila_(Roman)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Roman_aquila.jpg

The Wars Of The Jews
Or
The History Of The Destruction Of Jerusalem

Book VI
[SIZE=+2]CHAPTER 6. [/SIZE]
HOW THE ROMANS CARRIED THEIR ENSIGNS TO THE TEMPLE, AND MADE JOYFUL ACCLAMATIONS TO TITUS. THE SPEECH THAT TITUS MADE TO THE JEWS WHEN THEY MADE SUPPLICATION FOR MERCY. WHAT REPLY THEY MADE THERETO; AND HOW THAT REPLY MOVED TITUS'S INDIGNATION AGAINST THEM.
1. AND now the Romans, upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the holy house itself, and of all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to the temple (24) and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator (25) with the greatest acclamations of joy. And now all the soldiers had such vast quantities of the spoils which they had gotten by plunder, that in Syria a pound weight of gold was sold for half its former value. But as for those priests that kept themselves still upon the wall of the holy house, (26) there was a boy that, out of the thirst he was in, desired some of the Roman guards to give him their right hands as a security for his life, and confessed he was very thirsty. These guards commiserated his age, and the distress he was in, and gave him their right hands accordingly. So he came down himself, and drank some water, and filled the vessel he had with him when he came to them with water, and then went off, and fled away to his own friends; nor could any of those guards overtake him; but still they reproached him for his perfidiousness. To which he made this answer: "I have not broken the agreement; for the security I had given me was not in order to my staying with you, but only in order to my coming down safely, and taking up some water; both which things I have performed, and thereupon think myself to have been faithful to my engagement." Hereupon those whom the child had imposed upon admired at his cunning, and that on account of his age. On the fifth day afterward, the priests that were pined with the famine came down, and when they were brought to Titus by the guards, they begged for their lives; but he replied, that the time of pardon was over as to them, and that this very holy house, on whose account only they could justly hope to be preserved, was destroyed; and that it was agreeable to their office that priests should perish with the house itself to which they belonged. So he ordered them to be put to death.

Dan 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:33
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, [many] days.
Dan 11:35
And [some] of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make [them] white, [even] to the time of the end: because [it is] yet for a time appointed.

This was an earlier event by Antiocus Epiphanies. The wording is very different than the 70th week.

The Wars Of The Jews
Or
The History Of The Destruction Of Jerusalem
Book 1
Chapter 1

2. Now Antiochus was not satisfied either with his unexpected taking the city, or with its pillage, or with the great slaughter he had made there; but being overcome with his violent passions, and remembering what he had suffered during the siege, he compelled the Jews to dissolve the laws of their country, and to keep their infants uncircumcised, and to sacrifice swine's flesh upon the altar; against which they all opposed themselves, and the most approved among them were put to death. Bacchides also, who was sent to keep the fortresses, having these wicked commands, joined to his own natural barbarity, indulged all sorts of the extremest wickedness, and tormented the worthiest of the inhabitants, man by man, and threatened their city every day with open destruction, till at length he provoked the poor sufferers by the extremity of his wicked doings to avenge themselves.

Mat 24:20
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:32

The reason for the disaster in Jerusalem was due in no small part to Passover also called the feast of unleaven bread. Most of the people where in the city.

Wars of the Jews

Preface

1. (1) WHEREAS the war which the Jews made with the Romans hath been the greatest of all those, not only that have been in our times, but, in a manner, of those that ever were heard of; both of those wherein cities have fought against cities, or nations against nations;
...
Book VI
Chapter 5
A false prophet (19) was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose on the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such his deliverance.

¶​

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:

Matthew 27
50: And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
51: And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split;
52: the tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,
53: and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54: When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe, and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"

Dear brother
This does not fullfill Daniel or Matthew.



Gods kingdom dwells in HIS WORD within us.

Many are falling away from his kingdom and betraying the covenent of Jesus Christ for the sake of money and power.



It wont be long, You will see the Abomination and covenent in a very short time unless you have a sudden death or are aged. I do not predict the day or hour but I am on alert as is many brethren worldwide.



I have considered and warn the brethren that the economic conditation and war on terror is to bring in the
New global banking and police system with the MARK OF THE BEAST, and the name and number of the MAN OF SIN, THE SON OF PERDITION.

And you might do well to read Isaiah in light of what is going on in these last days.

OhhJim is likely to see all this in spite of his scoffing.

Also keep an eye on Javier Solana and the NATO, UN, EU, Rapid Response Team He is an anti Christ Marxist, like Robert Oppenheimer and his brother Frank. Solana is the voice of World Atomic Energy.

That is an ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLITE.

With love in Christ
brother daniel[/quote]

We are certainly seeing an acceleration of the time of the Gentiles. We may yet have some time but world power and government does portend the latter days of the Gentiles. However it is an error to confuse Daniel and the latter days of Israel to those of us.

 

[lecoop]

I want to tell this board that I have had a revelation from God saying that we(north americans) will be gathered in NY state in just after the Abomination of Desolation. if you have been to NY state it is a real wilderness and there is fresh water lakes and rivers. here we will be protected from the evil one. at the end angels will airlift us to the wedding.

Please tell us what tree you just fell out of? Or was it a cabbage truck? There are many voices out there, and they will say anything. However, if we are to listen, the message MUST line up with the written word of God. Forget this "vision" and get back into the Word. The church of Jesus Christ will be gone from the earth when the abomination takes place. (contrary to some posters, there will certainly be another abomination event, just about 3 1/2 years after the world's worst earthquake, and cosmic signs of the sun turning dark and the moon appearing as blood.)

Coop

 

[brother daniel]

Please tell us what tree you just fell out of? Or was it a cabbage truck? There are many voices out there, and they will say anything. However, if we are to listen, the message MUST line up with the written word of God.

Beloved Coop,
your message doesent measure up to the word of God.
The word of God tells us not to despise prophecy.

All we have to do is watch and see, but we are not called to mock each other.
If the brothers vision is false it will not come to pass.

Forget this "vision" and get back into the Word.
The church of Jesus Christ will be gone from the earth when the abomination takes place.

Brother Coop perhaps you could come up with some scripture to back up your assertion that the Church of Jesus Christ will not be on earth when the abomination takes place.

It sounds like you are depending on someone elses opinion because it is scriptualy unsound.

(contrary to some posters, there will certainly be another abomination event, just about 3 1/2 years after the world's worst earthquake, and cosmic signs of the sun turning dark and the moon appearing as blood.)

Coop

Again brother Coop, where do you find such information in the Word of God.

I am not asking you this to put you on the spot but, if you can support what you are saying with scripture, then I will have learned something.

Meanwhile I fast, pray and study here in the forest of upstate, New York.

I live with very litle and am sure that many, who have much more than I now, will be reduced to poverty in the near future.

I am sure there will be no Rapture before the man of Sin is exposed as the Judas like Son of Perdition.

Just continue watching and praying because the time is short.

And watchout about a scornfull attatude. It can get you in trouble with God.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[gwynedd1]

Please tell us what tree you just fell out of? Or was it a cabbage truck? There are many voices out there, and they will say anything. However, if we are to listen, the message MUST line up with the written word of God. Forget this "vision" and get back into the Word. The church of Jesus Christ will be gone from the earth when the abomination takes place. (contrary to some posters, there will certainly be another abomination event, just about 3 1/2 years after the world's worst earthquake, and cosmic signs of the sun turning dark and the moon appearing as blood.)

Coop

What will be that abomination? Do you think a new temple is holy in the light of Christ?

Hebrews 7
7: He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people; he did this once for all when he offered up himself.
28: Indeed, the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect for ever.

Hebrews 8
1: Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
2: a minister in the sanctuary and the true tent which is set up not by man but by the Lord.

So how will God allow the true tent and that is tabernacle to be descecrated?

You may find commentray to support the 70th week as not being fulfilled or the reasoning for yet another temple but you will not find it in the scriptures.


I suggest reading Zechariah 11 and then 12-14. There are two events. One leaves Jerusalem desolate while the other saves a remnant.

 

[jaxxman]

I am no prophet. I did not hear the voice of God. I do not speak on his behalf. new york state is so perfect. it is far enough away from the yellowstone eruptions and new madrid faults and california activity. plus it is so far inland that any tidal waves will not reach us. there is ample water and mauntain ranges. the main reason why i think God would pick this place is becuase it is within a days drive 70% of the north american population. like canada nyc, ohio etc. You see this is our escape. God will protect those who are here. and here only.

When the time is here we will have mechanics and machinists, doctors, so we could create a self sufficient society. be able to make our own food, and power, and create a decent life.



BTW the Time is not here YET SO DON'T give your money to any "cult leader" who tells you to go to his compound. we don't need another WACO Ok.

I invite anybody to disprove this future escape provision by the bible. Noah had build himself a boat, lot had to leave the sodom. we have to gather to NY state.

 

[brother daniel]

Please tell us what tree you just fell out of? Or was it a cabbage truck? There are many voices out there, and they will say anything. However, if we are to listen, the message MUST line up with the written word of God. Forget this "vision" and get back into the Word. The church of Jesus Christ will be gone from the earth when the abomination takes place. (contrary to some posters, there will certainly be another abomination event, just about 3 1/2 years after the world's worst earthquake, and cosmic signs of the sun turning dark and the moon appearing as blood.)

Coop

I am no prophet. I did not hear the voice of God. I do not speak on his behalf. new york state is so perfect. it is far enough away from the yellowstone eruptions and new madrid faults and california activity. plus it is so far inland that any tidal waves will not reach us. there is ample water and mauntain ranges. the main reason why i think God would pick this place is becuase it is within a days drive 70% of the north american population. like canada nyc, ohio etc. You see this is our escape. God will protect those who are here. and here only.

When the time is here we will have mechanics and machinists, doctors, so we could create a self sufficient society. be able to make our own food, and power, and create a decent life.



BTW the Time is not here YET SO DON'T give your money to any "cult leader" who tells you to go to his compound. we don't need another WACO Ok.

I invite anybody to disprove this future escape provision by the bible. Noah had build himself a boat, lot had to leave the sodom. we have to gather to NY state.

Beloved Jaxxman,

I am no cult leader and I seek no money, but I do live alone or with visiting family on 40 lovely wooded acres in the Catskills and agree with you about a potental wilderness retreat in upstate New York.

I am inviting disciples of Jesus Christ to stop and rest here if they need a place to pray or fast.

There many fine places for gods people throughout the United States where they can provide for themselves and their neighbors by working hand to hand.

I doubt that will happen though because the enemy knows all the tricks.

What I hope to see is we are each strengthed in faith to go through the trials that are sure to come, including losing our lives for the sake of the word of God.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[jeffweeder]

Scripture says that the lord will appear, in away that resembles lightening flashing in the west,-and been seen as far away as the east. So there will be no mistaking this day. It also says, that when he appears he descends, and at that point we are gathered up to him, starting with the dead in christ, but anyway it all happens in the twinkling of an eye. It also says that while we are marveling at him,on that day, the unbelievers, the ignorant, the gospel rejecters, are punished with everlasting seperation from him..(ouch).
So this day marks the end of the gospel age, the age of amazing grace. The gospel has been preached to the whole world, to all tongues, and the end then comes-quickly. And i will raise him up ,the last day.
So dear believers in christ, God is not slow in keeping his promise, but is patient, not wanting any to perish, but all to believe the gospel, and repent. The day is coming when the world will be punished a second time, by fire.
So what kind of christains ought you to be, as we look to and hasten the coming of this great day of God.


Brother Daniel, If i lived in that part of the world, i'd surely come and visit you...and spend the whole day gathering sticks, sounds good.

 

[lecoop]

Scripture says that the lord will appear, in away that resembles lightening flashing in the west,-and been seen as far away as the east. So there will be no mistaking this day. It also says, that when he appears he descends, and at that point we are gathered up to him, starting with the dead in christ, but anyway it all happens in the twinkling of an eye. It also says that while we are marveling at him,on that day, the unbelievers, the ignorant, the gospel rejecters, are punished with everlasting seperation from him..(ouch).
So this day marks the end of the gospel age, the age of amazing grace. The gospel has been preached to the whole world, to all tongues, and the end then comes-quickly. And i will raise him up ,the last day.
So dear believers in christ, God is not slow in keeping his promise, but is patient, not wanting any to perish, but all to believe the gospel, and repent. The day is coming when the world will be punished a second time, by fire.
So what kind of christains ought you to be, as we look to and hasten the coming of this great day of God.


Brother Daniel, If i lived in that part of the world, i'd surely come and visit you...and spend the whole day gathering sticks, sounds good.

Sorry, Jeff, but I don't buy your version either. Joel's prophecy shows us clearly that at the 6th seal, the "day of the Lord" is about to begin. (It has not begun at that time.) Then John is shown the sealing of the 144,000, showing again that the day of the Lord has not yet begun, but this sealing is something that must be done before the day can start. Next, John sees the raptured church in heaven, already raptured before the day of the Lord has even started.

The day that Jesus comes on the white horse, as appears as lightning splitting the dark sky, will take place approximately 7 years after the sixth seal, and the church will have been in heaven for that 7 years. John sees them again in heaven, preparing for the wedding. Do you expect the wedding to take place (Rev 19) before the rapture? Much of the church will still be on earth, according to your ideas.

Doctrines must be established using the latest and greatest (most complete) scriptures, and then the minor scriptures can be used to fill in the fine points. When one attempts to establish doctrine on a minor scripture, inveriably that doctrine will be in error, and will not fit with the major scripture. For the final week, the book of Revelation is the major and most complete scripture we have, and doctrine must be established here first. The Olivet discourse is minor, and then can be used to fill in what Revelation does not show.

Therefore, the twinkling of an eye, and the dead in Christ rising will have taken place, according to John, some time prior to the 7th seal, which opens the day of the Lord and the 70th week.

Last, any doctrine that changes the chronology of Revelation is immediately suspect, as God was careful to show John things in the exact order that they will take place.

Coop

 

[jeffweeder]

Sorry, Jeff, but I don't buy your version either. Joel's prophecy shows us clearly that at the 6th seal, the "day of the Lord" is about to begin. (It has not begun at that time.) Then John is shown the sealing of the 144,000, showing again that the day of the Lord has not yet begun, but this sealing is something that must be done before the day can start. Next, John sees the raptured church in heaven, already raptured before the day of the Lord has even started.

The day that Jesus comes on the white horse, as appears as lightning splitting the dark sky, will take place approximately 7 years after the sixth seal, and the church will have been in heaven for that 7 years. John sees them again in heaven, preparing for the wedding. Do you expect the wedding to take place (Rev 19) before the rapture? Much of the church will still be on earth, according to your ideas.

Doctrines must be established using the latest and greatest (most complete) scriptures, and then the minor scriptures can be used to fill in the fine points. When one attempts to establish doctrine on a minor scripture, inveriably that doctrine will be in error, and will not fit with the major scripture. For the final week, the book of Revelation is the major and most complete scripture we have, and doctrine must be established here first. The Olivet discourse is minor, and then can be used to fill in what Revelation does not show.

Therefore, the twinkling of an eye, and the dead in Christ rising will have taken place, according to John, some time prior to the 7th seal, which opens the day of the Lord and the 70th week.

Last, any doctrine that changes the chronology of Revelation is immediately suspect, as God was careful to show John things in the exact order that they will take place.

Coop

QUOTE COOP
Doctrines must be established using the latest and greatest (most complete) scriptures, and then the minor scriptures can be used to fill in the fine points.

Jesus said, behold, i have told you all things before they happen...If your going to sort scripture into major or minor, Jesus sayings should be major, as he is the king and lord.

QUOTE COOP
When one attempts to establish doctrine on a minor scripture, inveriably that doctrine will be in error, and will not fit with the major scripture. For the final week, the book of Revelation is the major and most complete scripture we have, and doctrine must be established here first. The Olivet discourse is minor, and then can be used to fill in what Revelation does not show.


Again, Jesus said, i will come again, and then explained to them all about it,- this is how Paul says, according to the lords own word, we who are alive and are left, when he comes, WILL NOT precede those who have fallen asleep.

 

[gwynedd1]

Sorry, Jeff, but I don't buy your version either. Joel's prophecy shows us clearly that at the 6th seal, the "day of the Lord" is about to begin. (It has not begun at that time.) Then John is shown the sealing of the 144,000, showing again that the day of the Lord has not yet begun, but this sealing is something that must be done before the day can start. Next, John sees the raptured church in heaven, already raptured before the day of the Lord has even started.

The day that Jesus comes on the white horse, as appears as lightning splitting the dark sky, will take place approximately 7 years after the sixth seal, and the church will have been in heaven for that 7 years. John sees them again in heaven, preparing for the wedding. Do you expect the wedding to take place (Rev 19) before the rapture? Much of the church will still be on earth, according to your ideas.

Doctrines must be established using the latest and greatest (most complete) scriptures, and then the minor scriptures can be used to fill in the fine points. When one attempts to establish doctrine on a minor scripture, inveriably that doctrine will be in error, and will not fit with the major scripture. For the final week, the book of Revelation is the major and most complete scripture we have, and doctrine must be established here first. The Olivet discourse is minor, and then can be used to fill in what Revelation does not show.

Therefore, the twinkling of an eye, and the dead in Christ rising will have taken place, according to John, some time prior to the 7th seal, which opens the day of the Lord and the 70th week.

Last, any doctrine that changes the chronology of Revelation is immediately suspect, as God was careful to show John things in the exact order that they will take place.

Coop

The Day of the Lord and the 70th week? They are NOT the same event. Look what happens.Besides the silly gap theory that is nothing but pure imagination look at what happens .

Joel 3
1: "For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2: I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehosh'aphat, and I will enter into judgment with them there, on account of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations, and have divided up my land,

36: Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation.
37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!
38: Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate.
39: For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"

The 70th week will apply to one or the other and in context it clearly applies to Jacobs trouble. One case leaves Jerusalem desolate the other is its redemption.
As to wars and rumors of wars and nation against nation though Christ was a time of peace it was not so leading to 70 AD.Here is what was going on.

1. 60 AD war with Patha to the East. This lead to the invasion of Armenia by Rome.
2. 61 AD revolt in Britain the Trinovantes(Boudica), the most powerful tribe in Britain revolted. Rome nearly lost Britain over this.
3. Judea in 66
4. Gaul in 68
5. This then led to 69 AD after the death of Nero and the year of the 4 Emperors. There was not a civil war since 30 BC. That is a century.

 

[jaxxman]

Beloved Jaxxman,

I am no cult leader and I seek no money, but I do live alone or with visiting family on 40 lovely wooded acres in the Catskills and agree with you about a potental wilderness retreat in upstate New York.

I am inviting disciples of Jesus Christ to stop and rest here if they need a place to pray or fast.

There many fine places for gods people throughout the United States where they can provide for themselves and their neighbors by working hand to hand.

I doubt that will happen though because the enemy knows all the tricks.

What I hope to see is we are each strengthed in faith to go through the trials that are sure to come, including losing our lives for the sake of the word of God.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

Sounds like a plan i live nowhere near NY. i'd come up sometime but i live 800 miles away.i pm'ed you my yahoo id daniel

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Next, John sees the raptured church in heaven, already raptured before the day of the Lord has even started.

The day that Jesus comes on the white horse, as appears as lightning splitting the dark sky, will take place approximately 7 years after the sixth seal, and the church will have been in heaven for that 7 years.

I must say, that is one of the more "unique" interpretions I have seen yet. Unbiblical, but unique.

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing! and Measure Ye! the Sanctuary/Naos? of God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it 2 And the Court [#833], the one without[ exqen] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be you Casting- Out! [#1544 ekbale ] Out-side [#1854 exw] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because it/she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

 

[RDoubleU]

I am no prophet. I did not hear the voice of God. I do not speak on his behalf. new york state is so perfect. it is far enough away from the yellowstone eruptions and new madrid faults and california activity. plus it is so far inland that any tidal waves will not reach us. there is ample water and mauntain ranges. the main reason why i think God would pick this place is becuase it is within a days drive 70% of the north american population. like canada nyc, ohio etc. You see this is our escape. God will protect those who are here. and here only.

When the time is here we will have mechanics and machinists, doctors, so we could create a self sufficient society. be able to make our own food, and power, and create a decent life.



BTW the Time is not here YET SO DON'T give your money to any "cult leader" who tells you to go to his compound. we don't need another WACO Ok.

I invite anybody to disprove this future escape provision by the bible. Noah had build himself a boat, lot had to leave the sodom. we have to gather to NY state.

If I recall, Noah was instructed by the Lord to build the ark because the people had become wicked upon the land, everyone except Noah and his family. Lot also was instructed by the Lord because there was no one else, except his family, and he went out of Sodom because of the same reason, the city had became wicked. The point I am getting at is the Lord told them what to do because there was no one else to tell. I love the Lord with all my heart and soul. Since I did not receive the revelation would I then be considered wicked? I hope not. I am a sinner, I do commit sin but I ask the Lord for forgiveness daily.

 

[jeffweeder]

why ask for forgivness, if you havent sinned ? Because by nature your a sinner and have that tendency. Its only in Christ that we are saved.

Jesus is the ark, and all who take him on board, will be saved. ...from the wrath of God. Mans wrath is bound to take your life.

 

[Jipsah]

I invite anybody to disprove this future escape provision by the bible.

That isn't the way it works, bro. You don't come up with some novel idea that appears to be made up out of whole cloth and say "prove from the Bible that it isn't so". If we did, I could say something like "God wants us all to wear green hats and stand on our heads on busy street corners for a half hour every day to show our faith. This is God's plan. If you don't think so, prove that it isn't from the Bible."

That's 180 degrees out of phase, you see. If you come up with a novel notion like yours and claim it's God's plan, then it isn't up to us to prove from the Bible that it isn't God's plan, it's up to you to prove from the Bible that it is God's plan.

Noah had build himself a boat, lot had to leave the sodom. we have to gather to NY state.

I reckon I'll pass. I 'spect if God wanted me to 'head for the hills' as it were, the hills of East Tennessee where my white kinfolk came from would do just fine. Plenty of game, wood, and water, and both earthquake and tidal wave free for the past couple of thousand years at least. I've always kinda wanted a dogtrot cabin up in a holler somewhere (maybe in Grundy county) anyway, and I can't see venturing off nearly a thousand miles into Yankeeland (no offense meant) when I could stay in my own ancestral home.