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Emperor Constantine on May 20, 325 AD. called for a meeting of his 318 Bishops at Nicea. These men together formed a new Imperial State Religion, The Roman Catholic Church. At this council meeting the TRINITY-THEORY was made the Official Doctrine of the Catholic Church, later in 381 AD. at the Council of Constantinople the Catholic Church reconfirmed the State Official doctrine of the TRINITY, and made it more complete.
The Imperial STATE RELIGION was forced on the entire Empire, and people had to convert or be put to DEATH by IMPERIAL EDICT. The men that believed in the TRINITY began to KILL IN THE NAME OF GOD, all of those who would not convert to the STATE CHURCH and TRINITY DOCTRINE. Constantine the Great was also the Pagan high priest until the day he died.
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It looks to me like they are hung up on the word "person". Person is just another word we use for a "being". God is Spirit and He has a mind and emotions and uses a male gender for himself.
We are made in his own image and we are persons or beings. So I don't understand what their problem is with using the word person for God. The 3 are one God no matter what they want to technically call God.
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It is more then that; if you believe God’s Word is infallible then this word “person” has to be in scripture; their must be reference to this so important doctrine; a doctrine I have been called a heretic over many times. Show me the proof; don’t white wash over a lie. The word person is not in the Bible. Then you take the word Godhead which was is a bad translation, and the word trinity is also a non scriptural word; the list goes on. Look at the origin of this doctrine; who established it; etc.
We are made in his own image and we are persons or beings. So I don't understand what their problem is with using the word person for God. The 3 are one God no matter what they want to technically call God.
Why do we have to push our agenda or bias to prove we or our belief system is truth; God’s Word is our foundation; the Holy Spirit is that part of God that will lead and guide us in all truth.
The Word person is one of the foundations for the doctrine of the trinity; if you want to be like many in the religious brethren who blindly follow a Pope or who ever you want to blindly follow; so be it; instead of what is clearly in scripture. As I said earlier I am a Christian Universalist; at least I have given plenty of scriptural proof why I believe the way I do; even thought the vast majority will disagree with me. Where is the proof?
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Yes, that's happened before on the forum too. And there's a glitch with the login too. I can login & it doesn't register that I logged in,
so I have to use the login higher up on the page???
One time the quotes were quoting the wrong people - as if someone said something they didn't.
**the post ben has for FreeinChrist isn't her post** (lol, ok, now I get it, it's quoting the wrong people again DUH) hehe =0)~
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Now stop and think about this!
The word sheol, which means grave, is translated to say the word,"hell." Now I ask you, Does everyone go to hell, including the prophets until the ressurrection? I have been trying to show you that the words like, grave, and pit, or other words, have been translated to say "hell," which is part of the Pagan religion. There is death, and the grave, and those who die; are they in the grave, dead, or are they in hell? Theres translation and theres interpretation.
The word sheol, which means grave, is translated to say the word,"hell." Now I ask you, Does everyone go to hell, including the prophets until the ressurrection? I have been trying to show you that the words like, grave, and pit, or other words, have been translated to say "hell," which is part of the Pagan religion. There is death, and the grave, and those who die; are they in the grave, dead, or are they in hell? Theres translation and theres interpretation.
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I answered it about 3 pages ago...
These quotes are quite messed up...I responed to Ben...but it quoted as if FreeinChrist wrote it...not Ben....
I went in and edited it to fix it....but you can only edit your own posts...
This appears to be happening throughout the thread???
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Did you ever notice while living here on earth our Lord was extremely kind. He picked up little children and blessed them. He healed all who were suffering with pain. While relatives were weeping over dead loved ones, He raised four of them to life again. The Saviour of all men said to the woman caught in adultery, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more” (Jn. 8:11). His kindness made an evangelist out of the wicked woman at the well (Jn. 4:29). Because Jesus really loved the weak, helpless creatures whom He had created, He wept over them, prayed for them and taught them continually. Except those religious Pharisees, Jesus never spoke one cross word to the unconverted masses. He was very tender and kind in all His dealings with men, even the most wicked among them. He sat at meat with the rich and ungodly and never upbraided them for their sins, shortcomings, and moral failures. His approach to them was very gentle, delicate, and considerate. Surely then, we are safer in His hands than anywhere else! The things He has in store for every one of us are far greater than we could plan for ourselves!
The Holy Spirit has taught me three things relative to the life of sonship. These three principles are expressed in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is God’s rainbow of promise around the throne. First, Jesus never condoned sin. How do I know this? Because, when the woman caught in adultery was left before Him, He spoke prophetically and redemptively into her life, saying, “Go, and sin no more.” I believe she did just that! His words were spirit and life unto her, transforming and lifting her life. Jesus did not come to condone our fallen state and sinful conduct, He came to save us from it! He didn’t come to say, “I’m O.K., you’re O.K., everybody’s O.K.” Everybody is not O.K.! Jesus was often forgiving sin and then admonishing, “Go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you.” He perfectly understood the law of sowing and reaping, the law of sin and death, with it’s inherent process of judgment.
Hear me now! Secondly, Jesus never condemned the sinner! Never! His testimony was that “God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” Though Jesus never condoned sin, He never condemned the sinner! He didn’t go around reminding men what terrible sinners they were. Most men already knew that! He didn’t counsel them about all the bad they had done or were doing. He knew what was in man, He understood that people really, within their own human strength and nature, could not help what they were! They needed compassion, love, mercy, and deliverance — not condemnation! Never, in all His years of ministry, did He ever condemn even one sinner! Jesus could do something that very few of our modern fundamentalist and evangelical preachers can do — He could preach salvation without first informing his audience about how fallen, rotten, wicked, and despicable they were, and how hot was the hell that awaited them if they didn’t repent! He didn’t say, “Repent, or you’re going to eternal hell!” On the contrary, He said, “Repent, for the prepared for you!” Isn’t it wonderful! J Preston Eby
The Holy Spirit has taught me three things relative to the life of sonship. These three principles are expressed in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is God’s rainbow of promise around the throne. First, Jesus never condoned sin. How do I know this? Because, when the woman caught in adultery was left before Him, He spoke prophetically and redemptively into her life, saying, “Go, and sin no more.” I believe she did just that! His words were spirit and life unto her, transforming and lifting her life. Jesus did not come to condone our fallen state and sinful conduct, He came to save us from it! He didn’t come to say, “I’m O.K., you’re O.K., everybody’s O.K.” Everybody is not O.K.! Jesus was often forgiving sin and then admonishing, “Go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you.” He perfectly understood the law of sowing and reaping, the law of sin and death, with it’s inherent process of judgment.
Hear me now! Secondly, Jesus never condemned the sinner! Never! His testimony was that “God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” Though Jesus never condoned sin, He never condemned the sinner! He didn’t go around reminding men what terrible sinners they were. Most men already knew that! He didn’t counsel them about all the bad they had done or were doing. He knew what was in man, He understood that people really, within their own human strength and nature, could not help what they were! They needed compassion, love, mercy, and deliverance — not condemnation! Never, in all His years of ministry, did He ever condemn even one sinner! Jesus could do something that very few of our modern fundamentalist and evangelical preachers can do — He could preach salvation without first informing his audience about how fallen, rotten, wicked, and despicable they were, and how hot was the hell that awaited them if they didn’t repent! He didn’t say, “Repent, or you’re going to eternal hell!” On the contrary, He said, “Repent, for the prepared for you!” Isn’t it wonderful! J Preston Eby
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His mission wasn't to condemn yet Ben! He came to fulfill the law and remit sin for those who would come to Him.
HE USHERED IN THE GRACE COVENANT.
Just becuz Jesus didn't condemn upon His arrival doesn't at all mean it won't happen at judgment.
Not even a good case you made here. It's spelled out what He will do upon His 2nd return.
HE USHERED IN THE GRACE COVENANT.
Just becuz Jesus didn't condemn upon His arrival doesn't at all mean it won't happen at judgment.
Not even a good case you made here. It's spelled out what He will do upon His 2nd return.
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I am beginning to wonder what theory of Creation is held here. We are being presented as coming from a different universe from Jesus.
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And so, what planet are you from? LOL
Ya, we have all kinds here, every creature under the sun. There is no lack of verity here.
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He came first as the Lamb of God...
He'll be coming back...as the Lion of Judah
Personally....it would be better to meet the Lamb first
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You a missing the point as usual; God's judgments are just, not carnal like you so want to believe.
The word "judgment" means. In the New Testament, the word used is "Krisis", which we have changed to "Crisis". In English, it means "a critical period of time, a decisive moment, turning point, deciding time." In Greek, it means "a separating, choosing, deciding, determining, judging, trial, judgment."
In the New Testament, the word judgment (Krisis) is used to denote the deciding time, trial, or probation of man. This time of judgment is spoken of in scripture in such a way as to indicate that it is given to man as a blessing and a favor. It is shown as a cause for great rejoicing and thanksgiving. In Psalm 96, all nature and people are told to exult and rejoice "Before the Lord, for He cometh to judge the world. He shall judge the world with righteousness and the people with his truth."
Judgment time as a period of great rejoicing is in striking contrast to the orthodox view of a time of horror and dread! It would almost seem we were reading from a different Bible. No — it is the same Bible, but it is "the good tidings of great joy" that the angels said "shall be unto all people." These good tidings have been obscured by the traditions of men and clouded over by carnal reasoning. As a result, we have been taught that only a remnant would be saved and the remainder of mankind would suffer the tortures of an everlasting hell. There is nothing just about eternal torture. God is calling out a remnant (a piece of cloth no one wants) not to play harps; but to be Kings and Priest to minister to the remainder of mankind.
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