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Yes, his discipline keeps us on course.God as our Father and Jesus both want us to be "happy" a word for "Blessed" in the long run, but going through Loving disciplining (punishment) in this live helps us.
None of the above.It seems to me most people abide by one of these theologies:
1. The Lord wants us to suffer for no reason.
2. The Lord doesn't care what we do - we're all going to heaven.
3. The Lord wants us to be happy, and that means obeying his commandments, since the commandments keep us out of trouble, if we obey them.
What do you think?
The impression I get is God wants us to be good, morally good, not happy. There are lots of really bad people who are happy. Of course those who suffer under them are not but they do not care.When Jesus sacrificed his life for us, I don't think it was with the intention that we should be miserable. He loved us and wanted us to be happy - that is why he made the sacrifice. That is why he is the boss.
1. The Lord wants us to suffer for no reason.
2. The Lord doesn't care what we do - we're all going to heaven.
3. The Lord wants us to be happy, and that means obeying his commandments, since the commandments keep us out of trouble, if we obey them.
What do you think?
What's wrong with #3?None of the above.
What is the point of the whole thing if we aren't going to be happy?The impression I get is God wants us to be good, morally good, not happy. There are lots of really bad people who are happy. Of course those who suffer under them are not but they do not care.
It seems to me most people abide by one of these theologies:
1. The Lord wants us to suffer for no reason.
2. The Lord doesn't care what we do - we're all going to heaven.
3. The Lord wants us to be happy, and that means obeying his commandments, since the commandments keep us out of trouble, if we obey them.
What do you think?
The goal is not to be happy. Obeying the commandments does not always make you happy at the time in any case. If being happy, you being happy, is the goal, then the commandments are not the way to go and it will be clear to many very quickly that this is the case.What's wrong with #3?
To love God and love others, whether it makes you happy at the moment or not.What is the point of the whole thing if we aren't going to be happy?
The Lord ultimately wants us to be happy, more than we can ever possibly imagine. But He knows that, in this life, there will be many trials and chastisements. Suffering can produce faith and character and holiness. And to the extent that we follow Him in any case, doing the best we can with the cards we're dealt based on the knowledge we have and grace given, we'll make it to heaven.It seems to me most people abide by one of these theologies:
1. The Lord wants us to suffer for no reason.
2. The Lord doesn't care what we do - we're all going to heaven.
3. The Lord wants us to be happy, and that means obeying his commandments, since the commandments keep us out of trouble, if we obey them.
What do you think?
Where did He say that?The Lord ultimately wants us to be happy, more than we can ever possibly imagine.
Most of the suffering probably comes because we pursued our own happiness instead of living God and living man.But He knows that, in this life, there will be many trials and chastisements.
Suffering can also cause believers to fall away. It happens.Suffering can produce faith and character and holiness. And to the extent that we follow Him in any case, doing the best we can with the cards we're dealt based on the knowledge we have and grace given, we'll make it to heaven.
Correct. So why do you throw in the selfish “happiness is his desire” stuff?Our goal, the definition of justice and perfection for man, is to love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and our neighbor as ourselves.
Well actually obeying Godin detail is obeying God. I mean loving God is vague until He asks you to do something or refrain from doing something.To the extent that we achieve this we are in obedience. Either way, in the end, God is the final judge.
First of all He wouldn't be much of a God if He didn't want that for us-and eternity with Him in heaven might be a bit of a grindWhere did He say that?
Yep, but not only that. Try losing a child or suffering some awful illness or being a victim of another's sin or wrong-headed pursuit of happiness IOW-and you may well have. And these things can be used as well-to break stony hearts, to help us reject this world's ways and in any case help see our need for and dependency on God.Most of the suffering probably comes because we pursued our own happiness instead of living God and living man.
Yep. Never know; it can happen either way.Suffering can also cause believers to fall away. It happens.
Because, if we're honest, we'd agree with the church that we all desire happiness-it's behind much of what we do, many of the choices we make-it's simply innate to want it, and it would certainly be bizarre to pursue its opposite-unhappiness. Happiness is our "homeostasis" so to speak, where we want to be internally and no more selfish in itself than simply wanting what's good and right for ourselves, even if we can be selfish in pursuing it. So even someone using drugs or pursuing wealth or even just some hobby is looking for that elusive quality. And the more we let go and let God, the more peace and happiness we experience, relatively speaking to the extent that this world allows it. The ultimate happiness for a human, and that which finally totally captivates his will so that he desires nothing else except God first above all else, is the immediate vision of God, that which causes us to seek His face to begin with as Scripture directs us to do, and that which is fully consummated when we finally "see" Him "face to face" and know Him fully as per 1 Cor 13:12. As Aquinas put it, "God, alone, satisfies."Correct. So why do you throw in the selfish “happiness is his desire” stuff?
Loving God isn't vague; Jesus didn't teach the Greatest Commandments for no reason; love is the very New Covenant reason for obedience, the right motivation for that obedience as opposed to blind insincere drudgery or sense of obligation based solely on fear or legalism. Love should be every Christian's goal; most vagueness about it would be due to the fact that we don't yet know it as well as God desires us to-and will help us to. Anyway, here's Basil of Cesarea from the 3rd or 4th century speaking:Well actually obeying God in detail is obeying God. I mean loving God is vague until He asks you to do something or refrain from doing something.
All three are wrongIt seems to me most people abide by one of these theologies:
1. The Lord wants us to suffer for no reason.
2. The Lord doesn't care what we do - we're all going to heaven.
3. The Lord wants us to be happy, and that means obeying his commandments, since the commandments keep us out of trouble, if we obey them.
What do you think?
Where did He say that?
It seems to me most people abide by one of these theologies:
1. The Lord wants us to suffer for no reason.
2. The Lord doesn't care what we do - we're all going to heaven.
3. The Lord wants us to be happy, and that means obeying his commandments, since the commandments keep us out of trouble, if we obey them.
What do you think?
You do know, right, that as Jesus suffered, it is written, "Have this same mind in you..." (TO SUFFER!) .....When Jesus sacrificed his life for us, I don't think it was with the intention that we should be miserable. He loved us and wanted us to be happy - that is why he made the sacrifice. That is why he is the boss.
How are 1 and 3 not exclusive? 1 says the Lord wants us to suffer for no reason. 3 says the Lord wants us to be happy "and that means obeying his commandments, since the commandments keep us out of trouble, if we obey them."1 and 3 are not exclusive , 2 is not Scriptural tho Hebrews 12:7-9
Obeying the commandments keeps you out of trouble, and if you keep out of trouble, what stands in the way of keeping you happy?The goal is not to be happy. Obeying the commandments does not always make you happy at the time in any case. If being happy, you being happy, is the goal, then the commandments are not the way to go and it will be clear to many very quickly that this is the case.
The goal to be like Him or be like Jesus which is the same thing. This produces a whole community of people who are in the end happy for sure. But to make one's one happiness the goal is to move onto the Enemy's turf. That is what he offers. God wants to care about the happiness of others, if you will.
When did "at the moment" enter the conversation?To love God and love others, whether it makes you happy at the moment or not.
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