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Theological thesis:God does not exist

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"Sat" according toblavatsky is "pure being" or something. Sat is the eternal divine in Hinduism.

Likewise in the existential thinking of Tillich (IIRC) God it thought best as "being" itself, rather than a seperate thing or entity (which position would be what Heidegger called ontotheoloty, replacing the question of Being with the substance of God).

I supposeif we are doing rationalistic theology, using reasion rather than "religious experience", you can load the cognitive game with an axiom or two, apply logic, and see where it aall leads.

So there we have it: "God is Being". So now what? Maybe there are logical corollaries, or do we now turn to"spirituality" and see how it - the latest verision of God -feels?
 
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Wait, what?
This is something I'd expect an atheist to say, not an actual Christian.

Having been on both sides, I can make both arguments.
This particular OP requested arguments against.
 
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Any examples of these miracles?

I have had prayers answered. In each case they where the outcome would be
beneficial to someone else in need, they have been answered instantly.

The only way to know for sure that a prayer in being answered is by the timing,
in my experience.
 
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I have had prayers answered. In each case they where the outcome would be
beneficial to someone else in need, they have been answered instantly.

The only way to know for sure that a prayer in being answered is by the timing,
in my experience.

I posted a thread on this once. If you actually take the time to pray about little things, you'll be amazed at how often He will answer them. You can't expect each and every prayer to be answered, because all true prayer is prayed in the Name of Christ (which basically means that you're asking for His will to be done, not yours). Sometimes we pray, asking for things that are not in His will, and they don't get answered and this causes people to get downcast and lose faith in prayer.

People need to remember that God is not a vending machine. He doesn't mind us asking Him for little things, but yet every time we say a prayer asking for something, we need to realize that His will be done, not ours. And if you want something, I find the best way to go about asking for it, is to include the phrase "nevertheless, Your will be done, not mine" in the prayer to reinforce the point that this isn't about what we want; it is about us making requests for the purpose of bringing Him glory.

Now, on the subject of praying for little things, I remember one day I was at work, and my breaktime was quickly approaching, and I had nothing to eat, and the place I work at sells food... but junk food. I was really in the mood for a real good meal, a cooked and prepared one. But good luck of That happening. I browsed over the various frozen junk that we sell, and I was like "Lord... I really don't feel like eating this junk today... I can't decide... help me out, would You please?"

Well, just before my first break (there were two breaks, two hours apart) I noticed an advertisement on the bulletin board for a local BBQ place. They weren't open at the time, but I asked the manager for a copy of that advertisement for the break room, and when I did they went "Oh, I needed to hang this Fox's Pizza menu in there too..." and then the idea hit me out of nowhere... "Order some pizza!" So that's exactly what I did, and I wound up not only getting myself some supper, but I took easily enough home for the other two family members as well (who hadn't eaten yet which was unusual as I got off work at 7PM, they normally eat at 4PM-ish).

Such a little thing to pray for, but He answered it anyways. In fact, it worked out well for all three of us. I don't think very many people understand just how He works in our lives. It's not always the huge life-and-death situations, it's the little things day to day that He does in our lives, that if you look... you'll notice. Uncanny coincidences that don't seem like coincidences, especially when they happen far too often to be just mere coincidences. He is right there beside each and every one of us, though sadly many people don't know or even recognize it, and they go about their day, rarely ever giving thanks for the little things He does in our lives, and this includes many Christians as well (the ones who only remember God on Sundays, for example).

Jesus walks with us each and every day, not just for an hour on Sunday Morning.
 
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If you actually take the time to pray about little things, you'll be amazed at how often He will answer them. You can't expect each and every prayer to be answered

I find that "little things" that are beneficial to me happen every day without the need for prayer. I don't get every little thing I might want, but certainly some of them.

I also find that having a positive attitude helps, and it seems that this is the real key.


eudaimonia,

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I find that "little things" that are beneficial to me happen every day without the need for prayer. I don't get every little thing I might want, but certainly some of them.

I also find that having a positive attitude helps, and it seems that this is the real key.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Matthew 5:44-46 is a good verse to use there and it is one of the biggest tenets of the Christian faith. God provides for everybody, including those that don't believe in Him as some might change their mind one day and turn to Him. And if He is willing to do that for unbelievers, what business do believers have in being prejudiced against unbelievers?

Good things happen to everybody, as do bad things. It is a part of living life. However, there are times when a Christian can pray for little things and *pop!* it happens. Just like that. And I think a lot of people don't really understand what "prayer" really is. One doesn't always have to get on their knees, press their palms together and say a huge long structured prayer full of praise and worship (though it is certainly good to do that). A Prayer can be something as simple as "Oh Lord, please help me". In fact, I bet that even unbelievers say prayers unknowingly. If God is willing to send rain (which is used as a metaphor for other provisions as well) to unbelievers... who is to say that He doesn't sometimes answer their silent (and unknowing) prayers as well?
 
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I posted a thread on this once. If you actually take the time to pray about little things, you'll be amazed at how often He will answer them. You can't expect each and every prayer to be answered, because all true prayer is prayed in the Name of Christ (which basically means that you're asking for His will to be done, not yours). Sometimes we pray, asking for things that are not in His will, and they don't get answered and this causes people to get downcast and lose faith in prayer.

People need to remember that God is not a vending machine. He doesn't mind us asking Him for little things, but yet every time we say a prayer asking for something, we need to realize that His will be done, not ours. And if you want something, I find the best way to go about asking for it, is to include the phrase "nevertheless, Your will be done, not mine" in the prayer to reinforce the point that this isn't about what we want; it is about us making requests for the purpose of bringing Him glory.

Now, on the subject of praying for little things, I remember one day I was at work, and my breaktime was quickly approaching, and I had nothing to eat, and the place I work at sells food... but junk food. I was really in the mood for a real good meal, a cooked and prepared one. But good luck of That happening. I browsed over the various frozen junk that we sell, and I was like "Lord... I really don't feel like eating this junk today... I can't decide... help me out, would You please?"

Well, just before my first break (there were two breaks, two hours apart) I noticed an advertisement on the bulletin board for a local BBQ place. They weren't open at the time, but I asked the manager for a copy of that advertisement for the break room, and when I did they went "Oh, I needed to hang this Fox's Pizza menu in there too..." and then the idea hit me out of nowhere... "Order some pizza!" So that's exactly what I did, and I wound up not only getting myself some supper, but I took easily enough home for the other two family members as well (who hadn't eaten yet which was unusual as I got off work at 7PM, they normally eat at 4PM-ish).

Such a little thing to pray for, but He answered it anyways. In fact, it worked out well for all three of us. I don't think very many people understand just how He works in our lives. It's not always the huge life-and-death situations, it's the little things day to day that He does in our lives, that if you look... you'll notice. Uncanny coincidences that don't seem like coincidences, especially when they happen far too often to be just mere coincidences. He is right there beside each and every one of us, though sadly many people don't know or even recognize it, and they go about their day, rarely ever giving thanks for the little things He does in our lives, and this includes many Christians as well (the ones who only remember God on Sundays, for example).

Jesus walks with us each and every day, not just for an hour on Sunday Morning.

What I've noted with answered prayer, is that in those instances I've allowed God to create the request.
If it's my request, it goes unanswered. But if it reaches the level of His request, then it gets amazingly
answered instantly. Which only makes sense. Getting to that level of prayer is not an easy task because
it means, as you said, allowing His will to work rather than your will.
 
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It seems to me that we have a word for Existence. That word is "Existence".

That makes the concept God superfluous... unless you want to attribute divine properties to what does exist. However, then you would certainly have to say that "God exists", and can't simply use God as a synonym for Existence.


eudaimonia,

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That which exists has to be expressed otherwise it does not, that which is Existence doesn't need to be expressed, that which exists becomes superfluous when compared to Existence itself
 
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And what about the global flood? and the age of the cosmos?

Inadmissible to whom?

I'm on the page where assertions are dismissed unless they are coherent, testable, and falsifiable. What page ore you on?
Inadmissible to everyone generally do you not know that carbon dating is the least accurate dating method due to the fact that elements easily affect carbon

Concerning biblical basics, God walked with man in the garden, the flood happened after the garden
 
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That which exists has to be expressed otherwise it does not, that which is Existence doesn't need to be expressed, that which exists becomes superfluous when compared to Existence itself

Existence is precisely that which exists. Existence is the sum of all entities and their relationships. There is no Existence apart from or superior to entities. Without entities, there is no Existence.

You hadn't addressed what I had written. Did you get my point? If God has identifiable properties unique to himself, he can't be identified as the abstraction Existence. He is something specific that (a theist claims) exists.


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But He is Existence, engage me
Don't know where you want to go with this, but my experience is when people say God does not exist, then I find out that their concept of God is not accurate. In a way they are right, the God they imagine does not exist because they do not know God.
 
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