Holy men wrote the scriptures, they were intended for spiritual instruction not accurate history.
Holy men wrote the scriptures, they were intended for spiritual instruction not accurate history.
Id d not ask you to explain anything. Everything you just posted I have known for many years. Thanks for trying, maybe it will help some who need help.Turlthhugger:
I post this in response to Omega2xx. I think this will be a big help to you when you read it and think on it a little.
Andy Centek
Omega2xx :
You ask me if I can explain to a cave man what day and evening is. Cave man, I will try.
Gen_1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
This statement in Genesis 1:5 hold the key to those who dig deep into the Bible scriptures. You cannot get answers by simply read A VERSE and assuming your answer is correct.
I now begin to explain what I meant.
Gen_1:5 And God called the light Day
Joh_8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them saying
I am the light of the world
He that follows Me shall not walk in darkness
But shall have the light of lif
John 9:4-5 I must work the works of Him that sent Me
While it is day
The night comes when no man can work (spiritually)
As long as I am in the world
I am the light of the world
John 12:44-50 Jesus cried and said
He that believes on Me
Believes not on Me
But on Him that sent Me
And he that sees Me
Sees Him that sent Me
I am come a light into the world
That whosoever believes on Me should not abide in darkness
And if any man hear my words
And believe not
I judge Him not
For I came not to judge the world
But to save the world
He that rejects Me
And receives not My words
Has One that judges him
The word that I have spoken
The same shall judge him in the last day
For I have not spoken of Myself
But the Father which sent Me
He gave Me a commandment
What I should say and what I should speak
And I know that His commandment is life everlasting
Whatsoever I speak therefore
Even as the Father said unto Me so I speak
Rom_13:12 The night is far spent
The day is at hand
Let us therefore cast off the works of darkness
And let us put on the armor of light
1Co_4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come
Who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness
And will make manifest the counsels of the hearts
And then shall every man have praise of God
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not
Least the light of the glorious gospel of Christ
Who is the image of God should shine unto them
2Co_4:6 For God
Who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Eph_5:8 For you were sometimes darkness, but now are you light in the Lord walk as children of light
The big problem comes from people always desiring to read the Bible scriptures like an ordinary book. Scriptures do not read that way as a rule. Often times one must focus on the subject and the search that subject; such as I did above.
Gen 1:3-4 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
I hope this helps you our of your cave into His glorious light of knowledge. Also any others that may read this.
I give thanks to My Lord and My God for His Holy Spirit's guidance.
Andy Centek
Nothing toached by human hands is perfect. The Israelites converted secular history into a miraculous fiction when they wrote, or rewrote the Old Testament while in Babylon.But where they touch history, they are accurate.
The doctrine of the inspiration of the scripture by Holy men via the Holy Spirit is false prophesy. I realize that the Bible books are human, plagued with errors, contradictions and misrepresentations of the doings of God. We should have expected as much. Such a discovery is validating of faith in the Father and not man.The only thing "holy" about men is if the Holy Spirit is inside them. God, the Holy Spirit "moves" them to write the words He authored. 2Pe 1:21 The only people who can understand are Christians in the last days before Jesus returns. Dan 12:4
I'm currently ambiguous on how the interpretation of Gen. 1 ought to be interpreted. My church leans more towards young earth creationism, but I am having trouble believing certain aspects of it as I also do with Old Earth Creationism.
I'm looking for theological answers not so much scientific ones. This isn't hostile at all, I just want to understand you guys better.
I just wanted to ask some of my most heavy questions:
1. I understand with the day age theory, each "day" supposedly represents an age, and that the word "yom" has multiple meanings. My trouble comes when it says "there was evening and there was the morning: the first day/day one." It seems like the author is defining the word yom as some sort of daylight cycle. How would a day age theorist handle this?
2. Death before sin, and probably disease before sin. How can it be that misery could have existed before Adam and Eve sinned?
3. What do you believe about the Flood? Do you believe it was a universal Flood? Or do you believe it was a local Flood, and how can you justify it Scripturally?
I'm currently ambiguous on how the interpretation of Gen. 1 ought to be interpreted. My church leans more towards young earth creationism, but I am having trouble believing certain aspects of it as I also do with Old Earth Creationism.
I'm looking for theological answers not so much scientific ones. This isn't hostile at all, I just want to understand you guys better.
I just wanted to ask some of my most heavy questions:
1. I understand with the day age theory, each "day" supposedly represents an age, and that the word "yom" has multiple meanings. My trouble comes when it says "there was evening and there was the morning: the first day/day one." It seems like the author is defining the word yom as some sort of daylight cycle. How would a day age theorist handle this?
2. Death before sin, and probably disease before sin. How can it be that misery could have existed before Adam and Eve sinned?
3. What do you believe about the Flood? Do you believe it was a universal Flood? Or do you believe it was a local Flood, and how can you justify it Scripturally?
The doctrine of the inspiration of the scripture by Holy men via the Holy Spirit is false prophesy.
It is because faith in the unseen, Infinite God is difficult for finite man, he is tempted to make fetishes and idols out of what he can see. Holy men establish their controlling authority over others by claiming that what their ancestors wrote was directly from God. Evolved religion served a purpose, it makes way for revealed religion.Since when? In order to find agreement with you, one must ignore this verse:
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Spirit moved the men from inside them. Give us your definition of "moved". I promise not to laugh.
Nothing toached by human hands is perfect. The Israelites converted secular history into a miraculous fiction when they wrote, or rewrote the Old Testament while in Babylon.
Your reply is evidence enough to validate what I said. The Bible can be a kind of Golden Calf. The doctrine of the infallibility of scripture and the men who wrote them is a false teaching. It keeps religion from growing.Talk is cheap. Where is your evidence?
No man is responsible for even 1 word in the Bible---All Scripture is inspired by God.
Your reply is evidence enough to validate what I said. The Bible can be a kind of Golden Calf. The doctrine of the infallibility of scripture and the men who wrote them is a false teaching. It keeps religion from growing.
Its God that is infallible not the men of the church. I have confidence in the Father as Jesus did. Jesus picked true parts of the scripture and left the rest.Talk is cheap, where is your evidence?
You have your theology backwards. Infallibility is what keeps Christianity growing. It is what give us confidence in our relationship to God.
OMEGA2xx:Talk is cheap. Where is your evidence?
No man is responsible for even 1 word in the Bible---All Scripture is inspired by God.
I'm currently ambiguous on how the interpretation of Gen. 1 ought to be interpreted. My church leans more towards young earth creationism, but I am having trouble believing certain aspects of it as I also do with Old Earth Creationism.
I'm looking for theological answers not so much scientific ones. This isn't hostile at all, I just want to understand you guys better.
I just wanted to ask some of my most heavy questions:
1. I understand with the day age theory, each "day" supposedly represents an age, and that the word "yom" has multiple meanings. My trouble comes when it says "there was evening and there was the morning: the first day/day one." It seems like the author is defining the word yom as some sort of daylight cycle. How would a day age theorist handle this?
2. Death before sin, and probably disease before sin. How can it be that misery could have existed before Adam and Eve sinned?
3. What do you believe about the Flood? Do you believe it was a universal Flood? Or do you believe it was a local Flood, and how can you justify it Scripturally?[/QU
TURTLE Hugger:Its God that is infallible not the men of the church. I have confidence in the Father as Jesus did. Jesus picked true parts of the scripture and left the rest.
One can research the errors in the Bible as well as the dates the books were actually written or rewritten.
It is because faith in the unseen, Infinite God is difficult for finite man, he is tempted to make fetishes and idols out of what he can see. Holy men establish their controlling authority over others by claiming that what their ancestors wrote was directly from God. Evolved religion served a purpose, it makes way for revealed religion.
I was spirit born 33 years ago. I can see the spiritual truths and human errors. I don’t worship the Bible as an idol.Only to modernists who cannot understand Scripture. IF you could understand God's Holy Word, you would see that it agrees with Science and History in every way. Those who have not been born Spiritually see Scripture as "foolishness".
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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