Theological Questions for Day-Age Creationists

Aman777

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Holy men wrote the scriptures, they were intended for spiritual instruction not accurate history.

The only thing "holy" about men is if the Holy Spirit is inside them. God, the Holy Spirit "moves" them to write the words He authored. 2Pe 1:21 The only people who can understand are Christians in the last days before Jesus returns. Dan 12:4
 
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Id d not ask you to explain anything. Everything you just posted I have known for many years. Thanks for trying, maybe it will help some who need help.
 
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The only thing "holy" about men is if the Holy Spirit is inside them. God, the Holy Spirit "moves" them to write the words He authored. 2Pe 1:21 The only people who can understand are Christians in the last days before Jesus returns. Dan 12:4
The doctrine of the inspiration of the scripture by Holy men via the Holy Spirit is false prophesy. I realize that the Bible books are human, plagued with errors, contradictions and misrepresentations of the doings of God. We should have expected as much. Such a discovery is validating of faith in the Father and not man.
 
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Blessings TurleHuger:

Your problem with Genesis 1:1 is a good one that requires VERY DEEP STUDY to see the answer. I am currently working on a book that will cover Genesis from Verse 1 to the flood.

What you have to do to understand Genesis 1:1 is to be aware of figures of speech used in the Bible scriptures. E.W. Bullinger has a VERY large volume on them. I will present here enough to get you on the right track.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created = Elohim, The Creator created.

The heaven and the earth

It does not say Earth, the proper noun, it is earth, a land, an area on the Earth, a particular area, etc. If you do not have the Esword Electronic Bible, I highly suggest to get it free on the inter-net. However, I donated some money for the brothers extensive work writing the software. That way you can bring up the Strong's concordance and many other tools to help you.

Returning to verse 1:1. There is no beginning or end with God, so by rewriting the verse one can get a different view as follows: At the start of this creating, Elohim created the heavens and the land. Again, heavens is a figure of speech. Taking a look at the following verse will really help you to understand this better.

John_8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John_9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

John_12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.

It is very clearly seen that the light is a spiritual light and not the Sun as is often taught. Why would the Sun be of any importance to the spiritual creation of Genesis? Yes, Genesis is about the spiritual creation, not the physical things. It contains enormous amounts of figures of speech.

Consider the clue that is given when Jesus said this: Have you not read that in the beginning God made them male and female? This shows that the writing were for the Ones who were to become Israel, the Hebrews. In the seed line given in Jesus as being the son of Adam; thus, the son of Man. I do not desire to enter into the deep things here. I will only give you clues as to how to read the scriptures in English.

Hence: At the start of this creating, Elohim created the heavens and the land. Have you read about the seed line of the Moses being as the stars?

Rewriting verse 1 we have the following: At the onset of creating this creation, Elohim created the heavens and the land. Remember the kingdom of heaven? God said; Let there be light and there was light. Here is the One who is to become Jesus Christ given as a figure of speech.

Joh_8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Joh_9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

John_12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on Me should not abide in darkness.

Mat_4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

Mat_6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!

To completely understand all of the firs 6 chapters of Genesis is a MAJOR WORK!

I hope this gets you started on the correct path and not the normal path of darkness in the woods.

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The doctrine of the inspiration of the scripture by Holy men via the Holy Spirit is false prophesy.

Since when? In order to find agreement with you, one must ignore this verse:

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit moved the men from inside them. Give us your definition of "moved". I promise not to laugh.
 
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It is because faith in the unseen, Infinite God is difficult for finite man, he is tempted to make fetishes and idols out of what he can see. Holy men establish their controlling authority over others by claiming that what their ancestors wrote was directly from God. Evolved religion served a purpose, it makes way for revealed religion.
 
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Nothing toached by human hands is perfect. The Israelites converted secular history into a miraculous fiction when they wrote, or rewrote the Old Testament while in Babylon.

Talk is cheap. Where is your evidence?

No man is responsible for even 1 word in the Bible---All Scripture is inspired by God.
 
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Talk is cheap. Where is your evidence?

No man is responsible for even 1 word in the Bible---All Scripture is inspired by God.
Your reply is evidence enough to validate what I said. The Bible can be a kind of Golden Calf. The doctrine of the infallibility of scripture and the men who wrote them is a false teaching. It keeps religion from growing.
 
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Your reply is evidence enough to validate what I said. The Bible can be a kind of Golden Calf. The doctrine of the infallibility of scripture and the men who wrote them is a false teaching. It keeps religion from growing.

Talk is cheap, where is your evidence?

You have your theology backwards. Infallibility is what keeps Christianity growing. It is what give us confidence in our relationship to God.
 
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Talk is cheap, where is your evidence?

You have your theology backwards. Infallibility is what keeps Christianity growing. It is what give us confidence in our relationship to God.
Its God that is infallible not the men of the church. I have confidence in the Father as Jesus did. Jesus picked true parts of the scripture and left the rest.

One can research the errors in the Bible as well as the dates the books were actually written or rewritten.
 
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Talk is cheap. Where is your evidence?

No man is responsible for even 1 word in the Bible---All Scripture is inspired by God.
OMEGA2xx:

Consider the Rome, the hidden giant, put into the Bible what they desired to.
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TURTLE Hugger:

You had ask me what I think the meaning of -The Spirit moved - meant in Genesis 1. It means that God's power, The Spirit of God, acted upon what God desired to come to be.
The Spirit stills acts today.

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Only to modernists who cannot understand Scripture. IF you could understand God's Holy Word, you would see that it agrees with Science and History in every way. Those who have not been born Spiritually see Scripture as "foolishness".

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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I was spirit born 33 years ago. I can see the spiritual truths and human errors. I don’t worship the Bible as an idol.

We’ve exchanged post before, you force things into the Bible books that aren’t there in order to try to fix the errors. What you call discernment is actually a creative imagination.
 
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