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Theistic Evolution is not Supported by the Scripture!?

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Mankind changed from prehistoric to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us.

The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Mesopotamia, is that Humanity was inherited from Noah, a direct descendant of the first Human, Adam. Noah's grandsons married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History.

This event took place some 10,000 + - years ago, and History agrees with Scripture. Evolutionism is odd man out, and NO Evol has been able to show us ANY evidence of an Earlier Human Civilization, than that which is listed in Scripture.

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Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was created from the water on Day 5.

Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo.

They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally made every Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5. The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust, on the 6th Day, is when YHWH or Jesus sqeezed, as a potter would mould clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground.

The creatures made from the dust were identical to those made from the water, and could produce offspring with the creatures from the water.

Of course the first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, and after rain.
Gen 2:4-7 This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.

Like the animals made from the dust, mankind also married and produced children with Beings made from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet.

We have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.

God created every living creature that moveth, from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced His Kind from the dust of the ground, on the 6th Day. Today's arrogant "scientists" can't tell us the difference between those creatures made from the water, and those made from the dust. Only Jesus can tell us of His Kinds, which are identical with the Creatures made from the water on the 5th Day.


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herev said:
so what planet was Noah from?
Dear hervev,

Noah came from the 1st heaven formed in Genesis 1:6-8 - where the garden of Even used to be located - which was later destroyed completely by the universal flood when the windows of heaven where opened Genesis 7:11.

Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
v6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:


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Clovis
Cro-Magnon

Just to name two before 10,000 B.C.
Of course, you can just choose to disbelieve all the dating techniques, but that won't work as an argument for me.

We have tons of evidence for paleolithic and even mesolithic peoples before your 10,000 year ago date. Are you saying that all of that squeezes in after 10,000 years ago? What is the scientific basis for this conclusion? How do you take all of that evidence and reinterpret it to a younger date than is given by the scientists who have studied them?

You can't just develop a theory based on a Biblical interpretation and then just SAY all the evidence must fit that theory. You will have to address all the evidence and show how it FITS your theory. Exactly where the scientists got their dating wrong, rather than just state as a conclusion that they did, or even just cast vague doubt on the dating mechaniisms.
 
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Scripture teaches that Noah brought Human Intelligence to this Planet. History agrees and records that Civilization arrived, with Noah, since one of his grandsons built the first City, on this planet.

Are you ready to admit that Evolution did Not produce Human Intelligence? Can you see that the agreement of Scripture and History outweights the assumptions of scientists, which have little or No Evidence to support them concerning How or When we obtained our Human Intelligence? Is it just a coincidence that the first City, on this Planet, was built by one of Noah's descendants?


Hmmmmmmm.....


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2Pillars said:
Dear hervev,

Noah came from the 1st heaven formed in Genesis 1:6-8 - where the garden of Even used to be located - which was later destroyed completely by the universal flood when the windows of heaven where opened Genesis 7:11.

Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
v6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:


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2Pillars said:
Scripture teaches that Noah brought Human Intelligence to this Planet. History agrees and records that Civilization arrived, with Noah, since one of his grandsons built the first City, on this planet.

Are you ready to admit that Evolution did Not produce Human Intelligence? Can you see that the agreement of Scripture and History outweights the assumptions of scientists, which have little or No Evidence to support them concerning How or When we obtained our Human Intelligence? Is it just a coincidence that the first City, on this Planet, was built by one of Noah's descendants?


Hmmmmmmm.....
God Bless
OK, I am beginning to see that this may not be going very far, but I will see. I see no problem with evolution producing human intelligence. Why do you think this is a problem? Specifically, I mean, not just conclusory statements about "there is no evidence", but specific arguments showing how such intelligence is a problem for evolution.

And what is your support for the first city being built by Noah or one of his descendents? Which city do you believe was the first? What specific evidence do you have that it was built by one of Noah's descendents?

What is your specific rebuttal to the evidence for all of these hunter/gatherer cultures before 10,000 B.C.? Again, Clovis in North America and Cro-Magnon in Europe, to name just two?
 
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herev said:
I cannot think of a single response to this--God Bless you, friend
Dear herev,

The 1st World was completely destroyed in the Flood. The 2nd World (our planet) will be Burned. The 3rd Heaven is forever. Since Today is the 6th Creative Day, you should understand what could happen, later on Today.


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2Pillars said:
Dear herev,

The 1st World was completely destroyed in the Flood. The 2nd World (our planet) will be Burned. The 3rd Heaven is forever. Since Today is the 6th Creative Day, you should understand what could happen, later on Today.


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2Pillars said:
Scripture teaches that Noah brought Human Intelligence to this Planet. History agrees and records that Civilization arrived, with Noah, since one of his grandsons built the first City, on this planet.
The History of Human Civilization began in the Cradle of Civilization, in Mesopatamia. From there came math, writing, commerce, technology, etc. All of the things which we call Human Civilization, Today.


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Vance said:
Clovis
Cro-Magnon

Just to name two before 10,000 B.C.
Of course, you can just choose to disbelieve all the dating techniques, but that won't work as an argument for me.

We have tons of evidence for paleolithic and even mesolithic peoples before your 10,000 year ago date. Are you saying that all of that squeezes in after 10,000 years ago? What is the scientific basis for this conclusion? How do you take all of that evidence and reinterpret it to a younger date than is given by the scientists who have studied them?

You can't just develop a theory based on a Biblical interpretation and then just SAY all the evidence must fit that theory. You will have to address all the evidence and show how it FITS your theory. Exactly where the scientists got their dating wrong, rather than just state as a conclusion that they did, or even just cast vague doubt on the dating mechaniisms.
Depends on whose dating you believe. I believe Noah arrived on this Planet some 10K + - years ago, just Before the first Human Cities began in Mesopatamia. I have no more faith in the mistaken dates of James Ussher, than you do.


 
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2Pillars said:
Depends on whose dating you believe. I believe Noah arrived on this Planet some 10K + - years ago, just Before the first Human Cities began in Mesopatamia. I have no more faith in the mistaken dates of James Ussher, than you do.
OK, but where do you get this data from? Do you not know that the earliest known city was actually found in Asia Minor (Turkey)? Again, what about all the evidence of the earlier societies and cultures that we have, from before 10,000 years ago? Are you saying that the data they have from 20,000, 30,000 and even 100,000 years ago all squeezes into the last 10,000 years?

To do this, you would definitely have to explain exactly how and why the scientists from varying disciplines using a variety of dating techniques, all have the dates wrong. Then show how all of the cultures actually date to within your time frame.

It sounds like you just read about this theory, it sounded good from a Biblical standpoint, and just accepted the fact that the evidence fits based on what the theories proponents said, rather than looking at all that evidence yourself and drawing your own conclusion as to whether it fits or not. I may be wrong, but that's what it sounds like.
 
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Vance said:
OK, but where do you get this data from? Do you not know that the earliest known city was actually found in Asia Minor (Turkey)? Again, what about all the evidence of the earlier societies and cultures that we have, from before 10,000 years ago? Are you saying that the data they have from 20,000, 30,000 and even 100,000 years ago all squeezes into the last 10,000 years?
NO! That could only mean your own distorted ASSUMPTION. Human Civilization began in Mesopotamia. It includes writing, math, and other Human evidences. The village claimed to be 35,000 years old is Not a Human city, with NO evidence of Human activity.

I don't speak of individuals but of populations. All people alive today are Humans.
My position is clear, this earth was apx. 4.53B years of age.

Here, read my previous quotes slowly, if you will.

2Pillars said:
Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was created from the water on Day 5.
2Pillars said:

Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo.

They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally made every Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5. The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust, on the 6th Day, is when YHWH or Jesus sqeezed, as a potter would mould clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground.

The creatures made from the dust were identical to those made from the water, and could produce offspring with the creatures from the water.

Of course the first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, and after rain.
Gen 2:4-7 This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.

Like the animals made from the dust, mankind also married and produced children with Beings made from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet.

We have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.

God created every living creature that moveth, from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced His Kind from the dust of the ground, on the 6th Day. Today's arrogant "scientists" can't tell us the difference between those creatures made from the water, and those made from the dust. Only Jesus can tell us of His Kinds, which are identical with the Creatures made from the water on the 5th Day.

 
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2Pillars said:
Mankind changed from prehistoric to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us.

The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Mesopotamia, is that Humanity was inherited from Noah, a direct descendant of the first Human, Adam. Noah's grandsons married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History.

This event took place some 10,000 + - years ago, and History agrees with Scripture. Evolutionism is odd man out, and NO Evol has been able to show us ANY evidence of an Earlier Human Civilization, than that which is listed in Scripture.

God Bless


Not true. THere is much evidence of civilization long prior to Mesopotamia. Try Catal Huyuk in Turkey.

"At the city site of Catal Huyuk in Asia Minor beads of lead have
been uncovered that date back to about 6500 B. C. Lead has also
been found in a sixth-s millennium B.C. context at Yarim Tepe in
Iraq, at the fifth-millennium site of Arpachiyeh in Iraq and at
the fourth-millennium sites of Anau and Hissar III in Iran and
Naqada in Egypt. The finds suggest that lead smelting, probably on
a small scale, began at least as early as the seventh millennium
B. C." Noel H. Gale and Zofia Stos-Gale, "Lead and Silver in the
Ancient Aegean," Scientific American, June 1981, p. 181

At Mureybet, around 7500 B.
C., a form of wild wheat, possibly engrain (Triticum
boeoticum) was collected there, with barley probably
cultivated next and then lentils. Around the same time,
further south, in Jericho, the starch (Triticum
dicoccum), resulting from an indigenous form (Triticum
dicoccaides), was planted with barley and lentils. The
phenomenon spread very fast in the seventh millennium B.
C. Thus, the area comprised of Anatolia to Djezireh and
to Palestine appears to have played a pioneering role in
the domestication of wheat and barley." ~ Jean Guilaine,
"The First Farmers of the Old World," in Jean Guilaine,
editor, Prehistory: The World of Early Man, (New York:
Facts on File, 1986), p. 81

"It must be noted, however, that attempts to bake clay
are dated much earlier here. At Mureybet (Syria), around
8000 B. C., small pots from terracotta were fashioned, in
an open and narrow style, whose function was without
doubt not utilitarian. However, these inventions,
completely 'cultural,' were without a future. This
ceramic disappears from the more recent levels, and the
clay, modeled and baked, will serve only for a time in
the manufacture of figurines. It is necessary to wait
for the end of the seventh millennium, more than 500
years later, to see new attempts in western Asia and the
successful production of pottery. This eventually
becomes a learned process that spreads widely throughout
Syria, Lebanon and Anatolia."" ~ Jean Guilaine, "The
First Farmers of the Old World," in Jean Guilaine,
editor, Prehistory: The World of Early Man, (New York:
Facts on File, 1986), p. 82

Mallaha, and Mureybet date from 12,000 years ago 5000 years prior to your 10,000 years ago. They had walled cities, a clear mark of civilization.

"At Mallaha (Eynan) in Palestine, in the 10th millennium,
a cluster of round cabins -- 10 to 13 feet (three to four
meters) in diameter on the average and sometimes up to 30
feet (9 meters)-- was planned. These houses were dug in
pits, and their periphery was surrounded by stone walls.
At Mureybet (Syria), in the 10th millennium, circular
habitations dug into the ground were constructed, limited
by low walls of argil and wood, and covered by a thick
coating. The preference for circular houses would be
maintained even in the beginning of the Neolithic. In
the course of the ninth millennium, Jericho (in Jordan),
already occupied by the Natufian, enlarged the town in
association with a development beyond that which was
customary for stone architecture. A high wall, 10 feet
(3 meters) thick and 13 feet (4 meters) high, could
extend out to 26 feet (8 meters), while an imposing tower
(33 feet/10 meters wide at its base and 30 feet/9 meters
high) contained an interior staircase." ~ Jean Guilaine,
"The First Farmers of the Old World," in Jean Guilaine,
editor, Prehistory: The World of Early Man, (New York:
Facts on File, 1986), p. 80-81

2Pillars says that the earliest writing is from Mesopotamia. That isn't true.

"
'Earliest writing' found in China

By Paul Rincon

BBC Science

Signs carved into 8,600-year-old tortoise shells found in China may be the earliest written words, say archaeologists.

Tortoise shells bearing the ancient writing

First attempt at writing on a tortoise shell

The symbols were laid down in the late Stone Age, or Neolithic Age.

They predate the earliest recorded writings from Mesopotamia - in what is now Iraq - by more than 2,000 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2956925.stm

accessed 6-15-03

 
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versastyle said:
Of couse the bible doesn't support theistic evolution. It also doesn't support the use of painkillers, when hurt or injured. Its still a valid study on process of life, regardless of what "God's word" says about it.
Dear versastyle,

Did it occur to you that Scripture was even showing us how a "surgical procedure" (simile) should be done (Book of Genesis), even before science discovered the pain killers you are talking about? That's is of course based upon one's spiritual understanding.

Adam was put into a deep sleep first (sedated, perhaps) before opening and closing up the flesh (surgical procedure) during the making ("cloning") of Eve from his ribs.

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