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So in conclusion:
The moral problem I see is two fold with Calvinism.
#1. God force regenerates some people to be saved for no real particular reason and yet He could have saved everyone (if He wanted to).
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Now, is it not unloving of God to save only a few people when He has the power to save them all?
This is tiresome. I never said the God of Calvinism was immoral. I never made that distinction. Please stop putting words in my mouth, so to speak.
You are correct. That is your problem. No matter how many times it's explained, you ignore the explanation and end up back here.
I'm sure if you look hard enough there are some who think Calvinism leads to all sorts of things. Just like any Theology. That doesn't prove anything, though.It seems there are people who think Calvinism can be harmonious with Universalism:
Poll: Can I be a Calvinist and a Universalist?
The Calvinist Universalist
Calvinism leads to universalism...
Do you mean like being a slave to sin?Some Calvinists i've met online say they are Compatibilists:
"The Compatibilist view - This view affirms that man freely chooses what God has determined that he will chose. In this way, the idea that God is in charge, and the idea that man can be held responsible for his actions are compatible ideas. Free will is affected by human nature and man cannot choose contrary to his nature and desires. This view acknowledges man as a free moral agent who freely makes choices. But due to the effects of the fall, as contained in the doctrine of total depravity, man's nature is corrupted such that he cannot choose contrary to his fallen nature -- He cannot discern spiritual things or turn to God in faith apart from divine intervention."
Libertarian free will | Theopedia
What kind of a "free will" is that which cannot choose to believe in Jesus Christ but can only choose according "to his fallen nature"? That sounds more like an enslaved will, quite the opposite of a "free" will.
That's obvious since most of what you spout isn't Calvinism.Then you never believed what I always believed about Calvinism then.
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I have. For instance, I've said that everything God does is morally correct. That's as unambiguous as you can get. Yet somehow, you've twisted that into me saying that God could sin if He wanted to.Not at all. It should be your problem, too. But you simply do not see it as one. This does not mean you are correct in any way. For you have not explained the problem. If you believe you are correct, then you should have no problem defending your view.
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Some Calvinists i've met online say they are Compatibilists:
"The Compatibilist view - This view affirms that man freely chooses what God has determined that he will chose. In this way, the idea that God is in charge, and the idea that man can be held responsible for his actions are compatible ideas. Free will is affected by human nature and man cannot choose contrary to his nature and desires. This view acknowledges man as a free moral agent who freely makes choices. But due to the effects of the fall, as contained in the doctrine of total depravity, man's nature is corrupted such that he cannot choose contrary to his fallen nature -- He cannot discern spiritual things or turn to God in faith apart from divine intervention."
Libertarian free will | Theopedia
What kind of a "free will" is that which cannot choose to believe in Jesus Christ but can only choose according "to his fallen nature"? That sounds more like an enslaved will, quite the opposite of a "free" will.
Do you mean like being a slave to sin?
That's obvious since most of what you spout isn't Calvinism.
Free will and determinism are not compatible, unless God designed the universe to be good only.
No, he cannot.Wasn't my comment clear enough? If someone is a slave to sin & can do nothing but sin, does he have a "free" will to not sin or do what is the opposite of sin, e.g. believe in Jesus Christ?
God chooses the save based on the counsel of His will. That He has not given any further info is not for me to complain about, or ponder over. He does what He pleases.Then stop beating around the bush and tell me what you believe then.
The heart of Calvinism is that God saves some and He does not save others and yet God does have the power to save them all (and yet chooses not to do so). God does whatever He pleases.
Do you think God chooses to save some based on what they will do in the future after they are regenerated? You said before that this was close but you did not exactly say.... "yes." Which means this is not what you believe. So what exactly do you believe? I probably will never get an answer on this point.
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No, he cannot.
Are you asking a question, or wanting me to read an article?In what sense, then, does the Compatibilist say the slave of sin has "free" will?
Libertarian free will | Theopedia
Are you asking a question, or wanting me to read an article?
Your view presents the same problem.
You said:Is it not unloving of God to save only a few people & cut off the time for salvation at death when He could offer salvation until all are saved?
You said:It is mathematically impossible, given every free will choice has a 50% chance of going either way, that anyone would reject God forever.
You said:Why would God create the people with freewill that He knew in advance would reject Him & allegedly go to hell forever?
You said:Why not just create those who would accept Him, as the poster with a rabbit image asked earlier in this thread.
I would say that we are free agents. In other words, we can choose to do or not do. But what we cannot do is go against our nature.Asking a question. The link was for reference.
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