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The first five book reveal the laws, statues and Judgement. Let's go to Deuteronomy 30: 15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16 in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. 17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Let's take a look at the animal sacrificial law that's nail to the cross in Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
So let's see this law of animal Sacrifice, because Paul explain this in (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.
When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
Judaism is a religious create by another group of people who called themselves Jews and are not. Its written in Revelation 3: 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. So there's no newly Hebrew Christians.In the context of the whole letter, to newly professing Hebrew Christians who were evidently considering a return to Judaism, the sin being referred to is apostasy--not all sin, that apostasy being warned against several times, the above being the third (Heb 4:1-13, Heb 5:11-6:12, Heb 10:19-39, Heb 12:14-28).
What does Deuteronomy 30:15-19 have to do with the paragraph that you were responding to?The first five book reveal the laws, statues and Judgement. Let's go to Deuteronomy 30: 15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16 in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. 17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
In Colossians 2:13-14, it does not specify anything about sacrificial laws, nor does it say anything about any laws being nailed to the cross. The penalty for our sins was nailed to Christ's cross and he died in our place.Let's take a look at the animal sacrificial law that's nail to the cross in Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The removal of sins always came through Christ and the law always testified about this.So let's see this law of animal Sacrifice, because Paul explain this in (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.
When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
Judaism is a religious create by another group of people who called themselves Jews and are not. Its written in Revelation 3: 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. So there's no newly Hebrew Christians.
Judaism is a religious create by another group of people who called themselves Jews and are not. Its written in Revelation 3: 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. So there's no newly Hebrew Christians.
There's no such thing in the Bible Judaism, once you understand that, then you will know what the verse I quoted before means.Revelation 3:9 dos not refer to Jews who practice Judaism, but to those who say that they are Jews when they are not.
You are directing that verse against those who are Jews instead of those who say that they are Jews, but are not. What is the name of the religion that you think that Jesus practiced?There's no such thing in the Bible Judaism, once you understand that, then you will know what the verse I quoted before means.
You reading out of different Bible, the KJV reads different. I strictly reads out of the KJV. When I said there's no new Hebrew Christians, meaning according to the Bible, Hebrews come from Shem in Genesis 10: 1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. So by blood line if you run Shem down to Terah, to Abram, Isaac, and Jacob and continue you will run into the Hebrews and or Israelites. Hebrew Israelites, the apostles was first called Christian in Antioch. Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch. (Acts 11: 25-27)And yet, we have a Christian letter to the Hebrews indicating they were babes in the Christian faith (Heb 6:1).
Personal interpretation of prophetic riddles (Nu 12:8) must be in agreement with NT apostolic teaching to be correct.
From the Bible in certain places Israelites where called Jews, but it's 12 tribes of Israel and in one tribe is called Judah. So if you are not from the seed of Jacob, then you are not a Jew. If one follows Christ then they are consider Christians.You are directing that verse against those who are Jews instead of those who say that they are Jews, but are not. What is the name of the religion that you think that Jesus practiced?
I'm a Bible Christians I deal with the uncut word of God according to the Prophets (Old Testament) and the Apostles (New Testament). I observe the Lord’s Sabbath Day, the Lord’s Feast Days (as outlined in Leviticus 23rd chapter), and the Lord’s Dietary Law (as outlined in Leviticus 11th chapter). I believe and observe the Royal Law, which is the Ten Commandments.Acts 24:14 But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets,
Which religion is The Way is a sect of?
Paul identified as a Jew in Acts 21:39 and Acts 22:3 even through he is from the tribe of Benjamin, so do you think that Revelation 3:9 is speaking about him? "Jew" may have originally referred to someone who was specifically from the tribe of Judah, but it has come to refer to those from any of the 12 tribes, so Revelation 3:9 is referring to someone who is not from the 12 tribes and who has not converted, but who is posing as someone from the 12 tribes.From the Bible in certain places Israelites where called Jews, but it's 12 tribes of Israel and in one tribe is called Judah. So if you are not from the seed of Jacob, then you are not a Jew. If one follows Christ then they are consider Christians.
I'm a Bible Christians I deal with the uncut word of God according to the Prophets (Old Testament) and the Apostles (New Testament). I observe the Lord’s Sabbath Day, the Lord’s Feast Days (as outlined in Leviticus 23rd chapter), and the Lord’s Dietary Law (as outlined in Leviticus 11th chapter). I believe and observe the Royal Law, which is the Ten Commandments.
I also believe in the resurrection and that Jesus is the King of Israel who will rule over the House of Jacob forever. I believe Jesus is the God of all people and his house “shall be a house of prayer for all people”. (Isaiah 56:7). I don't called this a religion, maybe it is. But there are people who create religion from the Bible.
You reading out of different Bible, the KJV reads different.
I strictly reads out of the KJV. When I said there's no new Hebrew Christians, meaning according to the Bible, Hebrews come from Shem in Genesis 10: 1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. So by blood line if you run Shem down to Terah, to Abram, Isaac, and Jacob and continue you will run into the Hebrews and or Israelites. Hebrew Israelites, the apostles was first called Christian in Antioch. Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch. (Acts 11: 25-27)
Jesus, Peter, John, James, Paul et al understood what the church has always taught, that the primary difference between the old and new covenants involved a new righteousness that flowed directly from union with God, a relationship entered into and established by faith. That union is described as: being under grace, living by the Spirit, being and remaining in Christ. That relationship is the very essence or basis of justice or righteousness for man. And the righteousness resulting in us is able, with our cooperation, to accomplish what the law could only attest to but could not bring about.In this world of modern Christianity people confuse the works that Paul and the Apostles did with the works the prophets did for salvation. Now Paul talk about both types of works that includes salvation in past time and in his time. The works of animal sacrificial law and keeping the Commandments of God, and the works of repentance and keeping the Commandments of God. However, with all the various doctrines (teachings) it's hard to know which road to take. Many claim that it really doesn't matter saying, "you serve God your way and I'll serve God my way." Since the Lord is the author of eternal salvation we can only obtain it by serving him his way (Hebrews 5:9). Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible. YOUR SALVATION IS AT STAKE! "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12). First let me say that God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.
When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws. These laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins). Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us
Paul explained this in; (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.
When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
Now on the other hand let's look at another law Paul talks about in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. (See exodus 20: 1-17)
Jesus, Peter, John, James, Paul et al understood what the church has always taught, that the primary difference between the old and new covenants involved a new righteousness that flowed directly from union with God,
a relationship entered into and established by faith. That union is described as: being under grace, living by the Spirit, being and remaining in Christ. That relationship is the very essence or basis of justice or righteousness for man. And the righteousness resulting in us is able, with our cooperation, to accomplish what the law could only attest to but could not bring about.
Um…yes. Of course??!! This is a newly revealed, or “foreign”, righteousness for mankind, however (Rom 1:4), even if Abraham demonstrated it earlier as an individual, with Paul now pointing to him as a model for us all.The NT testifies that righteousness has always been only from God (Ro 1:17, Ro 3:20-21, Php 3:9), never by the law (Gal 3:11)
Jesus, Peter, John, James, Paul et al understood what the church has always taught, that the primary difference between the old and new covenants involved a new righteousness that flowed directly from union with God, a relationship entered into and established by faith. That union is described as: being under grace, living by the Spirit, being and remaining in Christ. That relationship is the very essence or basis of justice or righteousness for man. And the righteousness resulting in us is able, with our cooperation, to accomplish what the law could only attest to but could not bring about.
The letters or books where written from Hebrews Israelites.Are you saying the letter was not written to Hebrew Christians?
The KJV titles the book, "The Epistle from Paul to the Hebrews."
I don't believe there was any merging with Jewish sect such as Qumran near the Dead Sea.Would that not also apply to believers from Israel; i.e., Hebrews?
Likewise, the letter is to professing Christians who were familiar with the OT (Heb 3-4). That would not be Gentiles.
It could well have been the "large number of priests who became obedient to the faith" (Ac 6:7), who perhaps wanted to merge with a Jewish sect such as the one at Qumran near the Dead Sea.
Yes, it's been taught that man is culpable for sin to the extent that he has full knowledge of its sinfullness and deliberate intent in commiting it. It's really not just an either/or thing, however; we're more or less culpable to the extent that we willingly participate in an act that we know is wrong. Either way the new testament brings about a new covenant. And within that covenaat is a new realtionship with God that was earlier not availbe to humankind on a universal scake, presuambly because, while God graced and used certain figures for His purposes previously, man in general wasn't yet ready until the "fullness of time" had come to be introduced more intimately to God. And with this new relationship estalbished via by faith man is now able, with a newly realized righteousnsess, now under grace, by the Spirit, to overcome the sin that otherwise previously condemend him- because he could not overcome it previously, whether by the law or by any other means. He had no ability to overcome sin apart from God.Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.
We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
The letters or books where written from Hebrews Israelites.
I don't believe there was any merging with Jewish sect such as Qumran near the Dead Sea.
Um…yes. Of course??!! This is a newly revealed, or “foreign”, righteousness for mankind, however (Rom 1:4), even if Abraham demonstrated it earlier as an individual, with Paul now pointing to him as a model for us all.
“But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.” Rom 3:21-22
This righteousness is given as one enters adopted sonship of God through faith. It's the righteousnesss that man was created to have to begin with,
that can only be had by virtue of fellowship with God, the fellowship that Adam rejected in Eden, not desiring to bow to any God above himself, and the righteousnsess that can be best characterized and defined by love, necessarily a work of grace, a work of God's, in us.
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