The Word of God

[variant]

That is not what he asked.

It is part of it. Clarity is required before we can consider questionableness.

Otherwise we would not know whether or not we are questioning God.

Sure. Let's imagine for a moment that God's existence and his desires were clear. Would his word be open to question from his creatures?

In that case I would think God is big enough to invite an open discussion and questioning between the perspectives of creator and created.

I would imagine such a being as imagined by the world religions to be highly capable of persuasion.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Interesting. This sounds like an idea that you read in a 1x5x7 stack of papers.

I have read it in many many "stacks of papers".



For the deeply religious people of Egypt, the creation of the universe was not a physical event (Big Bang) that just happened. It was an orderly event that was pre-planned and executed according to an orderly Divine Law that governs the physical and metaphysical worlds.

Egyptian creation texts repeatedly stress the belief of creation by the Word. When nothing existed except the One, he created the universe with his commanding voice. The Egyptian Book of the Coming Forth by Light (wrongly and commonly translated as the Book of the Dead), the oldest written text in the world, states:

I am the Eternal ... I am that which created the Word ... I am the Word ... ​

Sound familiar?





I have even witnessed with my own eyes a watery chaos vibrated to the point that a void is created out of nothing and a light appears in the center of the void.

 

[variant]

No, the questioning is not rational. Does the clay say to the potter, "why did you make me this way?" For anyone who thinks we mere humans have the right to question the word of God, I suggest you read the last few chapters of the book of Job.

If I make an AI capable enough to question me should I rebuke it for doing so?

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

It is part of it. Clarity is required before we can consider questionableness.

Otherwise we would not know whether or not we are questioning God.



In that case I would think God is big enough to invite an open discussion and questioning between the perspectives of creator and created.

I would imagine such a being as imagined by the world religions to be highly capable of persuasion.

He did say "Come let us reason together..."

 

[Gladius]

I believe he is open to question and is long suffering, merciful and understanding. As far as changes to the rules to accommodate the creature's rebellion, I think he's very patient, but no cigar.

Don't know where you get merciful and understanding from. Obviously not from the infallible Book of Revelations.

 

[Gladius]

Love the answer. Christians believe that God has spoken in such a way and that the Bible is the authoritative word of God. In order for this to be true, the words of the Bible must be:

Inspired - Ultimately organized by God in such a way that they communicate exactly what He intended. If God desires to communicate then he can surely see to it that His words are recorded exactly as He desires.

Inerrant - Without error in matters of faith and ethics. We should believe what the Bible says and do what the Bible commands. If God has spoken then he cannot be incorrect in anything he reveals.

Infallible - These words are unable to be lost by human irresponsibility or malicious intent. If God has spoken then He can surely see to it that His words remain throughout human history as a testimony to all.

Sufficient - These words are all that is needed to know what we ought to believe about God and how we ought to live. If God has spoken then He has spoken all that we need to know in order to live.

Authoritative - These words are beyond all question and criticism. If God has spoken then we should believe what He says and do what He commands. We have no right to question or criticize any of His words.

If God has spoken then it must be this way. If His word has somehow failed then He cannot truly be God.

Even more interesting is that so many "Christians" disagree with you. Even just the few ones here.

 

[Gladius]

If I make an AI capable enough to question me should I rebuke it for doing so?

Only if it expects an answer.

 

[variant]

He did say "Come let us reason together..."

Not really holding up it's part of the bargain then.

 

[Gladius]

You know about Jerome's invention of "Lucifer" right? Or the lying pens of the scribes?

The Word of God issued forth all of creation. It was not a 1x5x7 stack of papers and ink.


Don't mistake the map for the territory.

And which territory lead you to discover the personal God's existence Usus?

Or is it a physical force you choose to call God? I can't make it out from your very obtuse posts. You appear to quote Christian scripture sometimes and theoretical physics at others.

I fully expect some word salad response to this question.

 

[variant]

Only if it expects an answer.

My point is that the only reason to be upset when you are questioned is because you don't have the answer.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

If I make an AI capable enough to question me should I rebuke it for doing so?

How else will you test to see if it is capable of self determination?

 

[Gladius]

In the first place, I don't think the OP has us imagining God valuing our opinions. And in the second place, why should He have a suggestion box? What are you going to suggest to a Being that knows all and is all powerful? Do you think you may have thought of something He hasn't?

Logically sound.

 

[variant]

How else will you test to see if it is capable of self determination?

I'm not sure if there is a proper test for self determination.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Not really holding up it's part of the bargain then.

When is the last time you fasted from the world and sought communion?

 

[variant]

When is the last time you fasted from the world and sought communion?

How many psychological hoops do you suppose I should jump through just to speak with someone who wishes to speak with me?

 

[Gladius]

My point is that the only reason to be upset when you are questioned is because you don't have the answer.

Not the only reason at all. If I asked you "did you know you were ugly?", you'd get upset, even if you knew the answer.

Computer AI was a bad analogy anyway, because God already knows what your question is before you ask it. No need to ask. Just pray for God's grace to come upon you. [Am I right Christian people?]

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

And which territory lead you to discover the personal God's existence Usus?

Or is it a physical force you choose to call God? I can't make it out from your very obtuse posts. You appear to quote Christian scripture sometimes and theoretical physics at others.

I fully expect some word salad response to this question.

The territory I refer to is the Reality that surrounds and interpenetrates us. All books can only ever be as maps describing the territory. The map containing every single detail, leavening nothing out is the territory itself.

The personal God is the Original Infinite's expression as a singular finite individual. "The Son".

The GOD, God in the Highest, God the Father (all the same) remains outside the universe as a physical reality, substance, and Presence. The Source.



I understand God not only subjectively but spatially and structurally. What I have found lines up with the same descriptions of the Kingdom of Heaven not only by Ezekiel, Daniel, and John, but many other creation legends containing the same elements in the same order.


There are 10 powers and principalities that GOD unfolds as wholoarchy of forces within a universe. It has a specific holographic structure, a transparent Image. The Image of God we are created in.

 

[variant]

Not the only reason at all. If I asked you "did you know you were ugly?", you'd get upset, even if you knew the answer.

In terms of authority it pretty much covers it, which is what we were talking about.

Computer AI was a bad analogy anyway, because God already knows what your question is before you ask it. No need to ask. Just pray for God's grace to come upon you. [Am I right Christian people?]

If god only wanted supplication why would he create me with this independent questioning streak?

Demands for unquestioning obedience seem to be the most questionable things of all.

 

[Gladius]

If god only wanted supplication why would he create me with this independent questioning streak?.....

Here's the big answer. He didn't.

 

[variant]

Here's the big answer. He didn't.

The thought experiment says he did and I was playing along.

I seem to be the problem in the experiment, I can't imagine myself as someone else.