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The word Christian comes from;

French crétin, from French dialectal, deformed and mentally [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] person found in certain Alpine valleys, from Vulgar Latin *christiānus, Christian, human being, poor fellow, from Latin Chrīstiānus, Christian.
 
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Christian was never in the bible, it was added.

The English language has no shortage of cruel names for people, and one of them is cretin, which is what you’d call someone who is very, very dumb in the head.
Back before cretin meant “a stupid person,” it was a medical term for a physical deformity that came from a specific disease. Surprisingly, the root of cretin is the Swiss French word crestin, which means “Christian.
 
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Christian was never in the bible, it was added.

No; it is there. Acts 11:26, 26:28, and 1st St. Peter 4:16 use the word "Christianos". It is there in every single source text we have on those verses. Your opinion is wrong based on the primary sources.

The English language has no shortage of cruel names for people, and one of them is cretin, which is what you’d call someone who is very, very dumb in the head.

Sorry, but in the real world and in real etymology, that's bunk.

The French "crétin" originates in the 18th century, based on the fact that many families in the local Alpine area suffered from a congenital thyroid hormone deficiency, causing stunted growth. The actual word was a corruption of the Vulgar Latin "christianus", which meant "anyone".

The word "Christian" as we use in ENGLISH, is different. It is found in the Old English, as "cristen". Old English was essentially the language of the Anglo-Saxon, who came from Germanic lands, NOT FRANCE. Upon their embracing of the Christian faith, they took it from the Ecclesiastical Latin, which was different from the Vulgar Latin, which came from the Greek found in the three verses offered earlier, which come directly from the Greek word for Christ.

The Norman Invasion occurred in 1066, which was still 700 years earlier than the origin of the word "cretin".

This, folks, is how to properly research etymology. If a person's opinion doesn't match history or even geography in this case, it is invalid. Here, the opposing view fails BOTH.

Back before cretin meant “a stupid person,” it was a medical term for a physical deformity that came from a specific disease. Surprisingly, the root of cretin is the Swiss French word crestin, which means “Christian.

Your view fails to take history and geography into account. That is why it is wrong. It also fails to take into account the very primary source texts we have.

Please stop basing your theology on folk etymology and bunk, New Age quackery websites and start basing it on fact.
 
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The word Christian comes from;

French crétin, from French dialectal, deformed and mentally [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] person found in certain Alpine valleys, from Vulgar Latin *christiānus, Christian, human being, poor fellow, from Latin Chrīstiānus, Christian.

Hi iamnazarene,

Well, I suppose some may say the word etymology is french, but the Scriptures say otherwise.

Gob bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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The Greek word translated "Christian" means "little Christ," with the idea that a Christian is an imitator or follower of Christ.

Interestingly, the word was not first used for the saints; it was only used for disciples.
 
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No; it is there. Acts 11:26, 26:28, and 1st St. Peter 4:16 use the word "Christianos". It is there in every single source text we have on those verses. Your opinion is wrong based on the primary sources.



Sorry, but in the real world and in real etymology, that's bunk.

The French "crétin" originates in the 18th century, based on the fact that many families in the local Alpine area suffered from a congenital thyroid hormone deficiency, causing stunted growth. The actual word was a corruption of the Vulgar Latin "christianus", which meant "anyone".

The word "Christian" as we use in ENGLISH, is different. It is found in the Old English, as "cristen". Old English was essentially the language of the Anglo-Saxon, who came from Germanic lands, NOT FRANCE. Upon their embracing of the Christian faith, they took it from the Ecclesiastical Latin, which was different from the Vulgar Latin, which came from the Greek found in the three verses offered earlier, which come directly from the Greek word for Christ.

The Norman Invasion occurred in 1066, which was still 700 years earlier than the origin of the word "cretin".

This, folks, is how to properly research etymology. If a person's opinion doesn't match history or even geography in this case, it is invalid. Here, the opposing view fails BOTH.



Your view fails to take history and geography into account. That is why it is wrong. It also fails to take into account the very primary source texts we have.

Please stop basing your theology on folk etymology and bunk, New Age quackery websites and start basing it on fact.

Ifyou have not Got William Tyndales Matthews bible, just forget it.
 
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Ifyou have not Got William Tyndales Matthews bible, just forget it.

Oh, but I do have immediate access. The problem is, your argument doesn't hold water and we've explained why.
 
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Just because I have said something that goes against your belief does not make you right and me wrong.

Christian was never used in the word of God Christen was and it came from Cretin, so just get over it.

Except my post proves your etymology wrong, and since the French had nothing to with the Old English, then your argument is invalid since the word Christian arrived directly from Ecclesiastical Latin.

And the passive-aggressiveness is really unbecoming.
 
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Look at the big picture, and keep an open mind for several options. Knowing there is some relationship with the word cretin, what if the people of Antioch, at first, called the disciples CRETINS (retards, idiots)? Don't fall for the excuse, "we speak English, not Hebrew". The word "crestos" (or kristos, chreistos) isn't English, it's Greek. If we follow the redemption plan of our Creator, keeping the Torah of Yahuah, we are counted among the citizenship of Israel; not a "Gentile", foreign nation. In fact, we are no longer Gentiles at all (Eph. 2:11-13), although we were at one time strangers to the covenants. After our immersion, there is no distinction, and no dividing wall between us and a native-born Israelite. The main idea that people seem to be steered away from when words like "Christian" are examined closely is that the original word (the Hebrew word, Mashiak) is not being brought to the table, but is typically kept from the discussion. The word "Christianity" is not found in the Scriptures at all, so there is no such thing in reality. Misdirection is used to convince the listener of supposed facts which are not true, and by simply saying the lie often enough, it will become familiar, and therefore comfortable. In this particular case, the premise is that the original word was this Greek word "Christos", since it is emphasized (by those with an agenda to preserve the error of tradition) that the disciples of Yahusha all spoke and wrote in Greek. We are expected to pay no mind that Greek is a foreign language to the people of Israel. It's a promotion of the Jesuits to believe that the Messiah and His students spoke to one another, and wrote everything down, in Greek. The truth is, Greek was a transitional language, or translation, of the original texts originally written in Hebrew (or the dialect of it, Syraic Aramaic). Remember, all the first "protestants" were Catholics, and they had already been indoctrinated with the Jesuit teachings. What is practically unknown is the fact that there were "Christians" on Earth before Yahusha ha'Mashiak was born - and they were Pagans.


The Greek word "Christos" (kristos) has come to mean anointed, and this corresponds to the Hebrew word Mashiak. What is not commonly known is that Osiris and Mithras were both called "Chreistos", which meant "GOOD". The word was adopted from gnostic Paganism: The inscription "CHRESTOS" can be seen on a Mithras relief in the Vatican. During the time of Marcion, around 150 CE, Justin Martyr said that "Christians" were "Chrestoi", or "good men". Clement of Alexandria said "all who believe in Christ are called "Chrestoi, that is 'good men'". Rome was the center of Chrestos Mithras worship, so the adaptation or revisionism to the new faith for this title should hardly be a huge mystery; but this information has been intentionally buried. The word "Christian" is only used 3 times in the received Greek texts; and if it were in fact what the disciples called themselves as a "sect", it would have seemed very foreign to not only them, but to everyone involved. Of course, every Israelite (and modern orthodox "Jew") believes in a "Mashiak" that is coming at some point. Many of them - in fact most - don't currently believe in the Mashiak portrayed by the "Christian" faith in any of its diverse denominations. However, if we had to adopt a Greek word for these practitioners of "Judaism" that related to them as believers in a coming Mashiak, then they too could be labeled "Christians". But, the word "Christian" is a very non-specific label when you consider that it doesn't specify who the Mashiak is. The true sect that followed Yahusha's teachings did use a term for themselves, and it was NATSARIM (Acts 24:5). Even the "Church father" Epiphanius wrote of the Natsarim, whom he called "heretics", because they observed the Commandments of Yahuah and were indistinguishable from "Jews", except that they believed in the Mashiak.

In their adherence to the Torah, a Christian might well be considered to be [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]; but the actual word that means "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" or "idiot" is derived from CHRISTIANIANOS: cretin - a term of scorn. PLEASE READ THIS AGAIN:

Fitting as Jesus came to save the idiots.

:)

I am honoured to be considered an idiot by man for believing in Jesus :)
 
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The Greek word "Christos" (kristos) has come to mean anointed, and this corresponds to the Hebrew word Mashiak
The bolded text is false. The Greek word "Christos" always meant "annointed" from its very first usage.
I'm afraid your sources are rubbish.
 
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I honestly can't tell if the OP is a troll/poe or actually believes this garbage.

-CryptoLutheran

What garbage do you believe? The one shoved down every ones your throat?
You never hear the truth because the truth hurts. I have lots of more garbage I could show you but that might hurt your traditions too...
 
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What garbage do you believe? The one shoved down every ones your throat?

We've already shown why your ideas have no basis in reality. The etymology is off, the history is off, the geography is off, and the primary sources themselves disprove your ideas, not to mention your argument flip-flops.

For example, your argument at one hand says that Tyndale's English is perfect, but later say spelling and grammar isn't important. That's contradictory.

And why not look at Tyndale's actual translation and see that everything I mentioned about non-standardized spelling and use of archaic letters is right on target. Here's a facsimile of his Pentateuch:

https://archive.org/stream/ThePenta...uch-STC-2350-1724_01-p1to383#page/n0/mode/2up

Note that everything my argument said about variant spellings and use of archaic characters was correct.

You never hear the truth because the truth hurts. I have lots of more garbage I could show you but that might hurt your traditions too...

The truth hurts your errant views, and again, there's Tyndale's translation, available for all to see, and it proves everything my posts and ViaCrucis' posts have said about it to be right and everything your posts have said about it to be wrong.

We await your reply.
 
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