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According to the 1534 Tyndale Bible:

[FONT=verdana, geneva]And when he had founde him he brought him vnto Antioche. And it chaunsed yt a whole yere they had their conversacion with the congregacio there and taught moche people: in so moche that the disciples of Antioche were the fyrst that were called Christen. Acts 11:26

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According to the 1534 Tyndale Bible:

[FONT=verdana, geneva]And when he had founde him he brought him vnto Antioche. And it chaunsed yt a whole yere they had their conversacion with the congregacio there and taught moche people: in so moche that the disciples of Antioche were the fyrst that were called Christen. Acts 11:26

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That's a very good job transliterating that verse; the long s is the only thing missing. Did you do it yourself? If so, a very good job!

...and I love the double proof that, again, destroys the OP's argument ;)
 
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That's a very good job transliterating that verse; the long s is the only thing missing. Did you do it yourself? If so, a very good job!

...and I love the double proof that, again, destroys the OP's argument ;)

I'm somewhat convinced that for all the OP's talk about Tyndale's translation being divinely inspired and the only good English Bible to read (for reasons that apparently only the OP knows) he doesn't seem to have ever actually read Tyndale's translation.

I don't recall whether it was in this thread or the Eve thread, but the OP acknowledged that Tyndale's work is based on Erasmus' critical Greek texts, which of course begs the question why the OP is now rallying against those same Greek texts when they use Christianos/Christianoi--which all Greek texts have since the beginning and as they were penned by the original authors in Greek two thousand years ago.

Likewise in the Eve thread there was much ado about Tyndale rendering Adam's wife's name as Heva, decrying the Vulgate as a corruption, despite the fact that the Vulgate renders Adam's wife's name as Heva.

Another thing that is going to perplex me is the fact that Tyndale didn't translate an entire Bible, Tyndale only translated the New Testament and part of the Old Testament.

The OP then refers to the a "Tyndale Matthew Bible" seemingly unaware that the Matthew Bible, while using Tyndale's material also incorporated the work of Myles Coverdale, specifically Coverdale's Old Testament + Apocrypha which were translated from German and (here's a fun part) Latin.

As such the OP has thus argued that Tyndale's incomplete translation, plus the Matthew Bible's supplemental Coverdale material are God's divinely inspired word, while simultaneously argued that the Greek source texts used by Tyndale are at once both accurate and wrong, and the Latin sources which both Coverdale and Tyndale used are corrupt, but apparently good enough to be used by God to produce the right, un-corrupt Bible.

And as such all I can see is a big hot steaming mess of a non-argument interspersed with juvenile ad-hominem remarks, in addition to a complete unwillingness to engage in any sort of reasonable discussion, back up any claim with any sort of evidence whatsoever leaving the rest of us completely unable to know where the OP even received his information. Though that last point doesn't even matter if the OP is unable or unwilling to actually address points, engage in conversation, or behave like an adult.

All of this still leaves me confused as to whether the OP is even serious at all or if this is simply a trolling operation. Part of me is unwilling to accept that someone would honestly believe any of this and behave in this fashion, but having been on the internet long enough I've seen worse. But it's another one of those losing faith in humanity moments, much like any time I make the mistake of scrolling down into the comments section on Youtube.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I'm somewhat convinced that for all the OP's talk about Tyndale's translation being divinely inspired and the only good English Bible to read (for reasons that apparently only the OP knows) he doesn't seem to have ever actually read Tyndale's translation.

Agreed.

I don't recall whether it was in this thread or the Eve thread, but the OP acknowledged that Tyndale's work is based on Erasmus' critical Greek texts, which of course begs the question why the OP is now rallying against those same Greek texts when they use Christianos/Christianoi--which all Greek texts have since the beginning and as they were penned by the original authors in Greek two thousand years ago.

Also agreed.

Likewise in the Eve thread there was much ado about Tyndale rendering Adam's wife's name as Heva, decrying the Vulgate as a corruption, despite the fact that the Vulgate renders Adam's wife's name as Heva.

Perhaps if we were to post a facsimile of that happening, like I did Tyndale's translation? Not really necessary since anyone can do a quick Google search and see that for him- or herself, but it does add a little extra punch.

Another thing that is going to perplex me is the fact that Tyndale didn't translate an entire Bible, Tyndale only translated the New Testament and part of the Old Testament.

Certainly makes Tyndale-onlyism problematic ;)

The OP then refers to the a "Tyndale Matthew Bible" seemingly unaware that the Matthew Bible, while using Tyndale's material also incorporated the work of Myles Coverdale, specifically Coverdale's Old Testament + Apocrypha which were translated from German and (here's a fun part) Latin.

An excellent point.

As such the OP has thus argued that Tyndale's incomplete translation, plus the Matthew Bible's supplemental Coverdale material are God's divinely inspired word, while simultaneously argued that the Greek source texts used by Tyndale are at once both accurate and wrong, and the Latin sources which both Coverdale and Tyndale used are corrupt, but apparently good enough to be used by God to produce the right, un-corrupt Bible.

Twister can be fun ;)

And as such all I can see is a big hot steaming mess of a non-argument interspersed with juvenile ad-hominem remarks, in addition to a complete unwillingness to engage in any sort of reasonable discussion, back up any claim with any sort of evidence whatsoever leaving the rest of us completely unable to know where the OP even received his information. Though that last point doesn't even matter if the OP is unable or unwilling to actually address points, engage in conversation, or behave like an adult.

All of this still leaves me confused as to whether the OP is even serious at all or if this is simply a trolling operation. Part of me is unwilling to accept that someone would honestly believe any of this and behave in this fashion, but having been on the internet long enough I've seen worse. But it's another one of those losing faith in humanity moments, much like any time I make the mistake of scrolling down into the comments section on Youtube.

-CryptoLutheran

Well, to be fair, not everyone has the skills, knowledge, and resources (or the ability to use them) like you especially or I do. However, I don't think this is a troll or a poe, but the unfortunate result of another crack in the educational system of the world that allowed someone to slip, which is, of course, not that individual's fault. Let's be honest, and as fellow citizens of the US, we can both especially acknowledge the fact that even "First World" countries have some still glaring deficiencies when it comes to education.

And what is the result? People falling victim to quackery and bunk, despite all the surmountable evidence proving them so to be. How many people with PhDs even fall for this? More than most would like to admit. Heartbreaking, but true.

All we can do is simply point out the evidence and fact, eschew making ad-hominems ourselves, and be rational as always in everything. In the end, they almost always depart CF after a short while, never to return, although a few stick around...or come back as I've just recently seen....

...plus look at the bright side: at least Alexander Hislop hasn't been argued from yet.
 
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I said Tyndale was ordained by Gof to do the translation.
Because he did it write, spelling and translationa re different.
NIV for example switches entire words. This more than a simple spellling error. NIV does not resemble Tyndales translation.

I have Tyndales actual translation and I am reading his actual translation.

That link your posted I have that book.



Ok I will quiz you does Tyndale use the word Giants in Genesis?
If not what word does Tyndale use?
 
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I said Tyndale was ordained by Gof to do the translation.
Because he did it write, spelling and translationa re different.
NIV for example switches entire words. This more than a simple spellling error. NIV does not resemble Tyndales translation.

This doesn't actually address ViaCrucis' or my arguments' objections. It just ignores them.

I have Tyndales actual translation and I am reading his actual translation.

Then why the deception? Why say "spelling matters" when it clearly didn't?

That link your posted I have that book.

And it proves your arguments wrong.

Ok I will quiz you does Tyndale use the word Giants in Genesis?
If not what word does Tyndale use?

Straw Man argument.
 
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You can not answer my simple question, your wasting my time. Your fake.

1. Ad-hominems are not allowed here on this website. We're not the topic, and we've not once addressed your person. Your methodology, ideas, and bunk theories have been addressed, not you.

2. "Your" is a possessive. "You're" is a contraction of "you are". Clearly, the second is meant, which is why the point 1 immediately above.

His faulty methodology has certainly been getting some use though :(

It is too common, but perhaps with patience and persistence, it can be changed.

and your faulty mentality is quite annoying.

Again, flaming, and it is usually the sign of a poor and utterly destroyed argument when its arguer resorts to petty insults.
 
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I am not flaming.

That is precisely what you have been doing. You have been engaging in flaming behavior and ad-hominem attacks. Instead of arguing ideas you are attacking the person.

We're engaging your ideas, in response you have attacked people. That is, most definitely, flaming.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I do not think you have a clue what attacking someone actually is.
You need to learn hwo to differentiate.

The fact that your post addresses ViaCrucis violates the rules here.

That is what the word "you" means...it addresses that person, not the content of that person's post.

That is what "you're" means...it means "you are" and it addresses the person.
 
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I have no idea what via crucus is.Yes you does addres the person so right I am talking t you.

"Please treat all members with respect and courtesy through civil dialogue. Refrain from insulting, inflammatory, or goading remarks. When you disagree, remember to address the content of the post and not the poster personally"

Addressing persons like your posts have done is not allowed here. Furthermore, calling a person "fake" or that they are "faulty mentally" can warrant a warning, and eventually, infractions and outright being banned here.

The quoted potion above is part of the rules here. When we signed up, we agreed to follow them, regardless of whether we read them or not. And that's not up for argument.

I am now choosing to act as a Christian Forums Ambassador here and and going to ask everyone, to be neutral in that role, to keep the above quotation in mind. No staff member will tolerate the kind of flames currently going on, and I encourage all sides to think very carefully how to proceed further, because any further violations after this Ambassadorial action will probably be acted upon more harshly. That goes for everyone.

Discuss the topic and respect your opponents enough to address their critiques, points, and arguments. Do not use the word "you" or the contraction "you're" and then insult, goad, be rude, etc. The only time "you" or "you're" is allowed is when to be kind or to be constructively critical. Everything else is no man's land.
 
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Proverbs 9:8
Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
You've definitely demonstrated the former to be true. Don't you think that as Christians we should be more humble and less scornful?
Truth hurts for sure and the truth is suppressed for that reason.
That would probably explain why you ignore all the evidence we have presented refuting your position.
 
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Yes Saints (not Christians) are calm and gentle but there is a time and place for it.
There is so much lies and so much false teaching out there now it needs to be rebuked and people are brain washed by it.

I was victim to it to and now I am sick of it. I will expose these lies no matter what the cost.

Now about the whole Cretin thing, it is nothing to be hung over.

Jesus said they hated me before they hated you, I would not be surprised id Christian is a mock name given by some guy in antioch.

I know what you guys all said, I have been told that same thing for years, it does not matter.

Do you think the apostle Paul had his head cut off because he was calm and gentle?
Of course not he said the truth and the truth offends.
 
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I know William Tyndale only did the new testament, he was burned alive before he finished the whole thing.

I have a reorint and I am reading Tyndales original work.

Tyndale
Coverdale
and John ROdgers did the bible and it was the first English bible.
Latin Vulgate does not count.

Here is a short concise bible history for ya.

One of Wycliffe’s followers, John Hus, actively promoted Wycliffe’s ideas: that people should be permitted to read the Bible in their own language, and they should oppose the tyranny of the Roman church that threatened anyone possessing a non-Latin Bible with execution. Hus was burned at the stake in 1415, with Wycliffe’s manuscript Bibles used as kindling for the fire. The last words of John Hus were that, “in 100 years, God will raise up a man whose calls for reform cannot be suppressed.”
In the 1490’s another Oxford professor, and the personal physician to King Henry the 7th and 8th, Thomas Linacre, decided to learn Greek. After reading the Gospels in Greek, and comparing it to the Latin Vulgate, he wrote in his diary, “Either this (the original Greek) is not the Gospel… or we are not Christians.
100 years later Tyndale and Luther came.
William Tyndale was the Captain of the Army of Reformers, and was their spiritual leader. Tyndale holds the distinction of being the first man to ever print the New Testament in the English language.


Did you remember the 100 years prophesy?
 
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