The Utility of Evolution

[tonychanyt]

I am a Christian and worked with evolution. You don't have to believe in evolution to work with it. I used the evolution model to implement AI programs. They are called evolutionary algorithms. Unlike other branches of hard sciences, there is not that much mathematical justification for Evolution. Still, if you search US patents in the last ten years, you will find many applications of evolution models. The theory of evolution has practical values. The US economy benefits from it. You cannot deny its utility.

The Cheating Cell: How Evolution Helps Us Understand and Treat Cancer

If the theory works in daily practical life, no need to reject it; no need to believe in it either in the sense of spiritual faith.

 

[d taylor]

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Evolution and other science deceptions are for this age, the age of satan. Just like the earth now being divided up now and not a single piecs of circular land like originally created, reflects the rule of satan on earth.

 

[tonychanyt]

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Evolution and other science deceptions are for this age, the age of satan. Just like the earth now being divided up now and not a single piecs of circular land like originally created, reflects the rule of satan on earth.

What is the speed of light?

 

[d taylor]

What is the speed of light?

That is not necessary to know. Nothing i did today required me to know the speed of light.

 

[tonychanyt]

That is not necessary to know. Nothing i did today required me to know the speed of light.

Right, but others depend on it.

Did you use your cell phone today?

 

[BobRyan]

I am a Christian and worked with evolution. You don't have to believe in evolution to work with it. I used the evolution model to implement AI programs. They are called evolutionary algorithms. Unlike other branches of hard sciences, there is not that much mathematical justification for Evolution. Still, if you search US patents in the last ten years, you will find many applications of evolution models. The theory of evolution has practical values. The US economy benefits from it. You cannot deny its utility.

The Cheating Cell: How Evolution Helps Us Understand and Treat Cancer

If the theory works in daily practical life, no need to reject it; no need to believe in it either in the sense of spiritual faith.

I agree.

macro evolution is simply a myth since matter has no brain, and no sentient property to build on , nor does it have a moral compass nor have they been able to get a simple jump from prokaryote to eukaryote even after direct observation of more than 80,000 generations.

Still a lot of the stories they tell are useful in several ways. They have put their minds to trying to figure out how to get from a virus to a bacteria and "learn" to build on previous experience via environmental pressures, producing more descendants due to better adaptation to the environment etc.

 

[Davy]

Evolution theory as proposed by Darwin is not the same as a general use of the word 'evolution' or 'evolve'.

The word 'evolution' from its base word 'evolve' is just a word that can be used about many things that have absolutely nothing to do with biological evolution theory.

"My player in the game evolved to Level 17 today; tomorrow I hope to achieve to Level 21", is such an example of the simple usage of the word 'evolve' without... any attachment to Darwin's theory of the evolution of species.

 

[tonychanyt]

Evolution theory as proposed by Darwin is not the same as a general use of the word 'evolution' or 'evolve'.

The word 'evolution' from its base word 'evolve' is just a word that can be used about many things that have absolutely nothing to do with biological evolution theory.

"My player in the game evolved to Level 17 today; tomorrow I hope to achieve to Level 21", is such an example of the simple usage of the word 'evolve' without... any attachment to Darwin's theory of the evolution of species.

Good point.

 

[The Barbarian]

I am a Christian and worked with evolution. You don't have to believe in evolution to work with it. I used the evolution model to implement AI programs. They are called evolutionary algorithms. Unlike other branches of hard sciences, there is not that much mathematical justification for Evolution. Still, if you search US patents in the last ten years, you will find many applications of evolution models. The theory of evolution has practical values. The US economy benefits from it. You cannot deny its utility.

The Cheating Cell: How Evolution Helps Us Understand and Treat Cancer

If the theory works in daily practical life, no need to reject it; no need to believe in it either in the sense of spiritual faith.

In engineering, they are called "genetic algorithms." It turns out that evolutionary processes are more efficient than design for very complex problems. God, being God, recognized this, and He accordingly used evolution in creation. You're right that it requires no faith; really, it has nothing to do with faith other in the general sense that Paul describes:

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

 

[The Barbarian]

Evolution theory as proposed by Darwin is not the same as a general use of the word 'evolution' or 'evolve'.

Darwin preferred "descent with modification", but the word "evolution" had already been used to describe changes in populations, so there it is. But you're right; biological evolution is just one use of the word.

 

[d taylor]

Right, but others depend on it.

Did you use your cell phone today?

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I rarely use a cell phone, i will take a cell phone with me if i am going to be driving out of town like an hour or more from home. So if i did need to call in case of a vehicle break down.

 

[Fervent]

I am a Christian and worked with evolution. You don't have to believe in evolution to work with it. I used the evolution model to implement AI programs. They are called evolutionary algorithms. Unlike other branches of hard sciences, there is not that much mathematical justification for Evolution. Still, if you search US patents in the last ten years, you will find many applications of evolution models. The theory of evolution has practical values. The US economy benefits from it. You cannot deny its utility.

The Cheating Cell: How Evolution Helps Us Understand and Treat Cancer

If the theory works in daily practical life, no need to reject it; no need to believe in it either in the sense of spiritual faith.

Evolutionary theory is also remarkably effective for explaining the success of science in general, since the theories themselves are selected not on their truth component but on their predictive efficacy. It is entirely possible, even feasible, that everything science says is false but that the scientific process has selected theories that are practical.

 

[The Barbarian]

macro evolution is simply a myth since matter has no brain, and no sentient property to build on , nor does it have a moral compass

It's been directly observed to happen. Even many creationists admit it, but they don't want to call it evolution. Perhaps you don't know what "macroevolution" means. What do you think it means?

nor have they been able to get a simple jump from prokaryote to eukaryote even after direct observation of more than 80,000 generations.

Fossil record says it took about a billion years. Apparently, it's very difficult. But using hints from the evidence, scientists are closing in on such a thing.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jacs.7b04009

If they do it, would you lose your faith in creationism? In nature, it would require the evolution of endosymbiosis. Such evolution has been directly observed to happen.

Trends Cell Biol
. 1995 Mar;5(3):137-40.
Bacterial endosymbiosis in amoebae
K W Jeon
Abstract
The large, free-living amoebae are inherently phagocytic. They capture, ingest and digest microbes within their phagolysosomes, including those that survive in other cells. One exception is an unidentified strain of Gram-negative, rod-shaped bacteria that spontaneously infected the D strain of Amoeba proteus and came to survive inside them. These bacteria established a stable symbiotic relationship with amoebae that has resulted in phenotypic modulation of the host and mutual dependence for survival.

 

[BobRyan]

bacteria will not come up with a rabbit no matter how many 1000's of generations of time and chance they are given.
So then the salient argument in evolution is never observed to happen -- it is merely "assumed".

It's been directly observed to happen.

not in real life.

Fossil record says it took about a billion years

As evolutionist devotees like Collin Patterson freely admits - the fossil record does not tell you what thing came from what thing.
He says that creative stories "about how one thing came from another" are not science and the fossil record does not give that information to you.

Trends Cell Biol
. 1995 Mar;5(3):137-40.
Bacterial endosymbiosis in amoebae
K W Jeon
Abstract
The large, free-living amoebae are inherently phagocytic. They capture, ingest and digest microbes within their phagolysosomes, including those that survive in other cells. One exception is an unidentified strain of Gram-negative, rod-shaped bacteria that spontaneously infected the D strain of Amoeba proteus and came to survive inside them. These bacteria established a stable symbiotic relationship with amoebae that has resulted in phenotypic modulation of the host and mutual dependence for survival.

Evolutionists need "Bacteria world - to somehow come up with an Amoeba".

You offer nothing but bacteria and amoeba world - developing symbiosis with each other. you start at bacteria-worlds much hoped for end point where Amoebas suddenly exist. And work from there.

Granted bacteria can change such that they eat something new for breakfast. Nobody doubts that.

But that is not the salient point being argued in the belief system of evolution.
Evolution needs the bacteria to become an amoeba over time.

IT needs prokaryotes to do much more than have a new item for breakfast - it needs them to become eukaryotes - full and complete and then work their way up the ladder of taxonomy to make it to "rabbit".

 

[trophy33]

As evolutionist devotees like Collin Patterson freely admits - the fossil record does not tell you what thing came from what thing.
He says that creative stories "about how one thing came from another" are not science and the fossil record does not give that information to you.

This is just a rhetoric, though.

If you see a simple organism, then more complex, then more complex, then more complex... and those complex ones contain the functions/structures of the previous ones, sure, purely philosophically, you did not witness the process, the causality.

But its the simplest explanation.

 

[The Barbarian]

bacteria will not come up with a rabbit no matter how many 1000's of generations of time and chance they are given.

Evolutionary theory would be refuted if such a thing happened. Maybe it would be good for you to look up the scientific definition of "macroevolution?" Even many creationist groups now admit that speciation and even new genera and families are facts.

not in real life.

You don't know much of creationism, either...
As creationists, we must frequently remind detractors that we do not deny that species vary, change, and even appear over time. The biodiversity represented in the 8.7 million or so species in the world is a testament, not to random chance processes...

Speciation

Speciation, the formation of new species, is not evolution in action. Rather, it demonstrates the incredible variety God put within each created kind.

answersingenesis.org

As you see, AIG not only admits the fact of speciation, but also admits that Darwin was right in saying it wasn't random. AIG continues:

Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.

Surprised? Maybe it's time to do a little reading. You don't seem to know what scientists or creationists think. Macroevolution is accepted by many creationists, too. They just insist that it isn't "real" evolution. But biological evolution is defined as a change in allele frequencies in a population, so they really have no way out.

As evolutionist devotees like Collin Patterson freely admits - the fossil record does not tell you what thing came from what thing.

Well, let's see what an informed YE creationist has to say about that...

Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact.
Dr. Kurt Wise, Toward a Creationist Understanding of Transitional Forms

Again, you really should learn more about what creationism is about.

As you now see, the evolution of prokaryotes required endosymbiosis. The evolution of such endosymbiosis has been directly observed. So we know it happens. You're stuck, insisting that it can't happen, when we see it happening.

 

[Diamond7]

They are called evolutionary algorithms.

Do you have an algorithm that can turn an IBM clone into a quantum computer?

 

[Diamond7]

Even many creationist groups now admit that speciation and even new genera and families are facts.

The Bible says that God declares the end from the beginning. He watches over His word to perform what He declares He is going to do. There is nothing random. It is only an illusion because things are too complicated for our minds to grasp. A good example of this is frame shift. This is not a mutation at all, even if they call it a mutation.

 

[tonychanyt]

Do you have an algorithm that can turn an IBM clone into a quantum computer?

Define clone

 

[The Barbarian]

The Bible says that God declares the end from the beginning. He watches over His word to perform what He declares He is going to do. There is nothing random. It is only an illusion because things are too complicated for our minds to grasp.

If so, then he created some humans with the intent to condemn and torture them for eternity for things they had no choice to avoid. That would make God an evil monster. No thank you.